[Freakinoldguy]

Strutz Strutz:

One of the first questions that came to my mind when all this bs started was exactly that... How in hell did these people "fleeing" their country come up with that amount of money to pay their way out? It just doesn't make any sense.

Watch the News and you'll get your answer.

These people had family members waiting for them at the dock, just like they were on a freakin Princess Cruise.

As the matter of fact some of the family members became quite upset that they couldn't go into quarantine and see their kin, who just happened to be on the ship.

So, since the families knew exactly how this whole "refugee" scenario was going to play out. It only stands to reason that their families here in Canada ponied up the money to get them over hear and likely used the boat people refugee bullshit to circumvent proper channels which wouldn't have let most of them in.

Ain't Canada Grand.

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They paid $50,000 to get a seat on this tub and circumvent Canada's immigration system.

Boat people my ass.

What do you call a person from a Third World country that can afford to pay $50K to get to Canada?

I had an overdraft to pay back in LimeyLand when I got here. I couldn't afford $50,000 so I did it the legal way, three years later and numerous hoops jumped through, I got in.

They are cheats and I would be so bold to say, there will be liars amongst them.

You have special knowledge of the immigration system sand? Or is it another subject you 'fail' on?

I don't know that they are all necessarily cheats.

A lot of people who take this route (get smuggled into North America) wind up in what is essentially indentured slavery in a sweat shop/restaurant. Some of the worst cases turns the women/girls into sex workers (yes, even in Canada), drug mules, or some other unsavoury employment.

I agree that I don't like that they can circumvent the hurdles every other immigrant has to jump over, but under international agreements we've signed, we don't have much option in dealing with them (other than dragging out their cases or landing them in some remote spot to deter them). The only problem with dragging out their cases is that we're paying $50,000 - $100,000 per person per year, which adds up to a helluva lot of money.

I know half a dozen immigrants who did everything you did and frankly, I'm amazed that they waited as long as they did and did everything that was necessary to immigrate - just filling out my tax return pisses me off (nevermind the telephone book sized immigration application forms).

[EyeBrock]

bootlegga bootlegga:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They paid $50,000 to get a seat on this tub and circumvent Canada's immigration system.

Boat people my ass.

What do you call a person from a Third World country that can afford to pay $50K to get to Canada?

I had an overdraft to pay back in LimeyLand when I got here. I couldn't afford $50,000 so I did it the legal way, three years later and numerous hoops jumped through, I got in.

They are cheats and I would be so bold to say, there will be liars amongst them.

You have special knowledge of the immigration system sand? Or is it another subject you 'fail' on?

I don't know that they are all necessarily cheats.

A lot of people who take this route (get smuggled into North America) wind up in what is essentially indentured slavery in a sweat shop/restaurant. Some of the worst cases turns the women/girls into sex workers (yes, even in Canada), drug mules, or some other unsavoury employment.

I agree that I don't like that they can circumvent the hurdles every other immigrant has to jump over, but under international agreements we've signed, we don't have much option in dealing with them (other than dragging out their cases or landing them in some remote spot to deter them). The only problem with dragging out their cases is that we're paying $50,000 - $100,000 per person per year, which adds up to a helluva lot of money.

I know half a dozen immigrants who did everything you did and frankly, I'm amazed that they waited as long as they did and did everything that was necessary to immigrate - just filling out my tax return pisses me off (nevermind the telephone book sized immigration application forms).

I played by all the rules to get here. It took three years.

These Tamils paid $50,000 and got here in 4 months.

Cheats.

[andyt]

The ship loaded in Thailand, not Sri Lanka. Ie if they were persecuted in SL, they were already safe in Thailand.

[sandorski]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

bootlegga bootlegga:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They paid $50,000 to get a seat on this tub and circumvent Canada's immigration system.

Boat people my ass.

What do you call a person from a Third World country that can afford to pay $50K to get to Canada?

I had an overdraft to pay back in LimeyLand when I got here. I couldn't afford $50,000 so I did it the legal way, three years later and numerous hoops jumped through, I got in.

They are cheats and I would be so bold to say, there will be liars amongst them.

You have special knowledge of the immigration system sand? Or is it another subject you 'fail' on?

I don't know that they are all necessarily cheats.

A lot of people who take this route (get smuggled into North America) wind up in what is essentially indentured slavery in a sweat shop/restaurant. Some of the worst cases turns the women/girls into sex workers (yes, even in Canada), drug mules, or some other unsavoury employment.

I agree that I don't like that they can circumvent the hurdles every other immigrant has to jump over, but under international agreements we've signed, we don't have much option in dealing with them (other than dragging out their cases or landing them in some remote spot to deter them). The only problem with dragging out their cases is that we're paying $50,000 - $100,000 per person per year, which adds up to a helluva lot of money.

I know half a dozen immigrants who did everything you did and frankly, I'm amazed that they waited as long as they did and did everything that was necessary to immigrate - just filling out my tax return pisses me off (nevermind the telephone book sized immigration application forms).

I played by all the rules to get here. It took three years.

These Tamils paid $50,000 and got here in 4 months.

Cheats.

You were not a Refuge.

[martin14]

Strutz Strutz:

One of the first questions that came to my mind when all this bs started was exactly that... How in hell did these people "fleeing" their country come up with that amount of money to pay their way out? It just doesn't make any sense.

They didnt 'pay' anything, they agreed to pay the Tigers when they arrived here.

So now they will indulge in all kinds of interesting activities while here,
and all the money will go to a Terrorist organization.


They are all supporters of terrorism, and should be kicked back.

[EyeBrock]

Sand 'the fail' said;

$1:

You were not a Refuge.

No, none of us are 'Refuge'. On English, I'll have to give you a 'fail'.

Maybe you scored the full 16% required by Canada in English to get in? It does show.

Me, I just played by the rules. Worked low paying jobs for a year or so. Nobody met me at the dock or airport and no lawyers got on CTV saying that I was a good prospect for Canada.

I didn't get the 'welcome package' of free tokens for clothes or the free housing.

When I got here Bob Rae made sure that white males that spoke English were the bottom of the hiring heap. It was a challenge.

I expected nothing, asked for nothing and worked hard to get the job I have.

These guys paid $50,000 and they are getting a free ride on our tax dollars.

[sandorski]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Sand 'the fail' said;

$1:

You were not a Refuge.

No, none of us are 'Refuge'. On English, I'll have to give you a 'fail'.

Maybe you scored the full 16% required by Canada in English to get in? It does show.

Me, I just played by the rules. Worked low paying jobs for a year or so. Nobody met me at the dock or airport and no lawyers got on CTV saying that I was a good prospect for Canada.

I didn't get the 'welcome package' of free tokens for clothes or the free housing.

When I got here Bob Rae made sure that white males that spoke English were the bottom of the hiring heap. It was a challenge.

I expected nothing, asked for nothing and worked hard to get the job I have.

These guys paid $50,000 and they are getting a free ride on our tax dollars.

I cheated to get here, I was Born here. You still Fail to separate Immigrant from Refuge. The process is different.

[PluggyRug]

sandorski sandorski:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Sand 'the fail' said;

$1:

You were not a Refuge.

No, none of us are 'Refuge'. On English, I'll have to give you a 'fail'.

Maybe you scored the full 16% required by Canada in English to get in? It does show.

Me, I just played by the rules. Worked low paying jobs for a year or so. Nobody met me at the dock or airport and no lawyers got on CTV saying that I was a good prospect for Canada.

I didn't get the 'welcome package' of free tokens for clothes or the free housing.

When I got here Bob Rae made sure that white males that spoke English were the bottom of the hiring heap. It was a challenge.

I expected nothing, asked for nothing and worked hard to get the job I have.

These guys paid $50,000 and they are getting a free ride on our tax dollars.

I cheated to get here, I was Born here. You still Fail to separate Immigrant from Refuge. The process is different.

Whats a "Refuge",..... fail.

Whether the process is different is irrelevant. These people came here under false pretenses ie. paid for entrance, circumvented true refugee policy and now expect to be welcomed with open arms. Only in a warped Liberal world.

[EyeBrock]

sandorski sandorski:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Sand 'the fail' said;

$1:

You were not a Refuge.

No, none of us are 'Refuge'. On English, I'll have to give you a 'fail'.

Maybe you scored the full 16% required by Canada in English to get in? It does show.

Me, I just played by the rules. Worked low paying jobs for a year or so. Nobody met me at the dock or airport and no lawyers got on CTV saying that I was a good prospect for Canada.

I didn't get the 'welcome package' of free tokens for clothes or the free housing.

When I got here Bob Rae made sure that white males that spoke English were the bottom of the hiring heap. It was a challenge.

I expected nothing, asked for nothing and worked hard to get the job I have.

These guys paid $50,000 and they are getting a free ride on our tax dollars.

I cheated to get here, I was Born here. You still Fail to separate Immigrant from Refuge. The process is different.

You know what Sand? Sometimes correct spelling, grammar and syntax mean something.

[FieryVulpine]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You know what Sand? Sometimes correct spelling, grammar and syntax mean something.

I'm still wrapping my head around how he "cheated" the system by being Canadian-born. Were his parents illegal immigrants who needed to use him as an anchor?

[Scape]

The refugee system in place is in desperate need of overhaul. Doesn't matter if they fly here and declare or come by ship, the system in which we define what is an immigrant and what is a refugee is dangerously broken. Criminals can come into this country under false pretense and once they are here they are next to impossible to get out. All the while they are taking up time and money while denying legitimate immigrants a chance at entry.

The Aussies have a deal with a small island nation in which they house all the refugees on that island and then process them there. At no point are they granted entry until they are already processed. That is the cardinal flaw in our current system is that we grant them access and then process them.

[Saffron]

$1:

No, of course not. It just is not a major problem. It occurs once every few years.

Once every few years? Are you aware that Australia took pity on Sri Lankan boat people and let them in? ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY boatloads later, they slammed their doors shut and pulled in their Welcome mat. Are you aware that there are two more boatloads, even as we speak, just watching and waiting to see how easy it will be?

[Saffron]

Forty-four boats carrying 2094 passengers, most of them from Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Iraq, and 92 crew have arrived in Australian waters so far this year.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/afghan ... 5801909847
Forty four boats just in one year. Think it won't happen here?

[Saffron]

Mr. Waldman seems eager to divert the attention to the situation in Sri Lanka, where he says Tamils are still persecuted and imprisoned, even after the war which ended last year. This is completely inaccurate, and irresponsible of him to make such statements knowing fully well that Sri Lankan government has already released more than 250,000 out of 300,000 of Internally Displaced People (IDP), since the end of the war in last May 2009. In spite of the LTTE propaganda, from which Mr. Waldman seems to draw his facts, there is no persecution of Tamils by the Sri Lankan government, or restrictions on ordinary Tamil citizens, as they are free to move, live and work in any part of Sri Lanka.

The truth is, these Tamils are not some innocent refugees fleeing the war, which is no more. They are part of a well-orchestrated human smuggling operation carried out by well-organized LTTE international network, to keep their lucrative businesses alive. The rest of the world is already aware of this global human smuggling operation, masterminded by the LTTE. That is the reason why countries like Australia, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia refuse to accept these LTTE boats full of bogus refugees. Canada should learn from Australia, which had turned this very same boat away from their territorial water, knowing exactly that this boat is part of the LTTE human smuggling operation. Kudos to Australia for their stand against human smuggling…
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2010 ... at-people/
An interesting read from the organization "Canadian Sri Lankans Against Terrorism"