[Bodah]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

If you make it optional, you make it worthless. THAT'S wasteful.

Ok then remove the offending questions.... Dude

[Proculation]

Just a little anecdote:

Last week I went to a EI bureau in Montreal. I would say that about 90% of the staff was visible minority. The two I talked with were very professional and all. But, is it really representing the population ?

Don't forget government jobs are the most protected ones with very good wages. When you enter in that system, you are almost sure to have a job until retirement, a lot of benefits and vacation, good work hours, good and assured pension plan, etc. Why should those advantages be favored to visible minorities ?

Suppose I'm the son/daughter of a visible minority who is a government worker. I won't be seeing "work" like usual people. I would have a distorted notion of what working is. I will say it: I would have a more "left-wing" way of seeing work. That I should have a lot of benefits, services, compensations, etc. We have an generous immigration program because we need them as a working force for the next years since we are not making enough children.

But, getting a government job at the moment is not the same thing than years ago. The unions protect the employees according to their seniorities. Young people will have problems to get a job because of that even if they have better education and are more competent. They would then say that the system is unjust for them since they can't get an easy job with all the advantages their parents had.

That's not very good for the integration and the economy, IMHO. We need to show them that a good job comes with a good education and with perseverance and competence.

In Montreal (and I guess in a lot of other big cities too), we have a lot of Vietnamese and Lebanese owning their own shop/SME. When they quit their countries because of the wars, they decided to rebuild their lives and work to achieve that goal. There was no affirmative action laws. They worked hard and succeed in a little business. Now, their children are very well integrated (here, they speak French with no accent) and they want to study and get a good job since they were educated with those values.

So, well, it was my opinion.

[kenmore]

Ever been to Pearson International..? hard pressed to find white folks there!

[EyeBrock]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Overheard somewhere in Ottawa:

"Crap, we're getting beat up over this census thing. What can we do to deflect attention from that? Oh, hey, there was that story about that lady who wanted to apply for a job but couldn't 'cause she's white. Send out a press release right away: we're reviewing affirmative action!"

It's amazing to me how reactionary this government is. Olson's getting a pension, change the pension rules NOW! Homolka's going to be eligible for a pardon, change the pardon rules NOW! Someone couldn't apply for a job, review affirmative action NOW!

I'm not saying that any of these things aren't the right thing to do. They are. But if they're so demonstrably the right thing to do, why weren't they done proactively? Why is there always some news report on something, and then only after that is there a sudden, mad rush to fix the problem?

It's not like these were unforseeable problems either. Why weren't they identified earlier in the Conservatives' four years in power?

I think you are most likely right on this one hurley.

It does seem a strange time to roll out what really is a common sense and destined to be a popular measure.

Deflecting attention from the census debacle seems a likely reason for this sudden interest in amending federal hiring guidelines in the middle of summer.

[Proculation]

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/can ... story.html

"Canadians are evenly divided — 49 per cent in favour and 51 per cent against — on whether the Conservatives' move is "good" or "bad," according to the results of an Ipsos Reid poll."

It seems the almost unanimous editorials against that decision is more ideological than a representation of the population's view.

Funny: it's in Quebec the decision is the more approved, at 62%. Even if every news and op/ed's in the newspapers are against the conservative on that question. In the last days, the op/ed's were VERY vitriolic against the conservatives. They were described as "censorers". "demantling democracy", "going back to the 1920s", etc.

It seems that the Liberal elite is well established in the media.

[EyeBrock]

I can give you another poll result.

Eyebrock polling services predict that 100% of confirmed Tory voters and 75% of those undecided voters who lean to the right end of the Liberal spectrum will go for this.

[Proculation]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I can give you another poll result.

Eyebrock polling services predict that 100% of confirmed Tory voters and 75% of those undecided voters who lean to the right end of the Liberal spectrum will go for this.

I added the result of the poll in Quebec because we are supposedly a "very progressive" province (ie. left wing). The comments I have hear/read in Quebec are more or less the same: "I don't like the conservative party but that decision is a very good move for equality.".

[EyeBrock]

Not a surprise Proc. I think Quebec would be the only province to try a burkha/niqab ban.

Quebec is left in the way France is left.....

[kenmore]

Québec will probably introduce a ban on burkha/niqab when the PQ are elected. They are more likely to press for it than the liberals. Québecer's tolerance of immigrants from the middle east is getting very thin.

[DerbyX]

kenmore kenmore:

Québec will probably introduce a ban on burkha/niqab when the PQ are elected. They are more likely to press for it than the liberals. Québecer's tolerance of immigrants from the middle east is getting very thin.

Like the ROCs tolerance for Quebec's shit and being forced to pay for it?

[hurley_108]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think you are most likely right on this one hurley.

It does seem a strange time to roll out what really is a common sense and destined to be a popular measure.

Deflecting attention from the census debacle seems a likely reason for this sudden interest in amending federal hiring guidelines in the middle of summer.

Thank you. And sorry for that whole accusing you of libel thing. I was out of line.

[ShepherdsDog]

kenmore kenmore:

Ever been to Pearson International..? hard pressed to find white folks there!

You still haven't gotten back on the facts you said you were going to give about whites being a minority in Vancouver.