[Pyra_cantha]

How the hell did this turn into a men vs women thread. It's about a ban on having sex in the military.

I say let them screw around all they want, send them rubbers, "toys" and what not. Sex is good for you, it relaxes you a tad and keeps moral up.

If all you people can do is flame at each other, then you seriously need to get some action.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Ya let the soldiers do what they want, that always works.

This is not about banning sex in the military, it is stopping fraternization in a war zone. Relaxing maybe, but it would only bring problems not solve them.

[rickc]

This article is misleading.Are we talking about fraternization or sex? In the U.S. armed forces,fraternization is against the rules.That would be any officer socializing with any enlisted personnel.NCO'S hanging out with junior enlisted personnel,and senior officers hanging out with junior grade officers would all be prohibited.Anyone working in any supervisory capacity would be prohibited from dating or socializing with people under thier command.I can agree with these rules.The General in question broke these rules by having sex with a subordinate.

Anti-fraternization rules prevent the appearance of favortism.It cuts down on sexual harassment claims as well.Soldiers should not have to feel as though spurning the advance of a superior will harm their chances of advancement.

Are we outlawing sex for everyone serving in theater,regardless of rank or position? I cannot go along with that.If I and an equal ranking female soldier want to hook up and knock boots,how is that anyone else's business? The military claims that it is bad for morale.Sure,the people who are'nt getting any.I am sure that thier morale sucks big moose wang!

The U.S. Navy has a no sex policy at sea.Thousands of sailors recieve non judicial punishment for breaking this policy.I always felt it was unfair.A married couple can be serving on the same ship {in different departments} and not be allowed to hook up once for six months or longer.[the average prisoner in an American prison would receive several conj. visits in the same time frame]I serving in the Air Force,was allowed to shack up with my girlfriend,and get it every night if I wanted to.Are CF personnel stationed in Canada allowed to have sex?

I do not feel it is right to expect service members to fight for our rights,and then deny those members the very rights they are fighting for.

[Guy_Fawkes]

If you want sex have it on your HLTA, it's that simple. Why people think this is difficult? You cant fool around with a person at work in the CF. Period.

[Gunnair]

Not quite sure why this is such a difficult concept. No sex allowed.

No sex allowed in theatre, in the field, onboard ship. Period.

Got a hard on, jerk off and get back to work. For the ladies, go diddle and get back to work. Wait till you go on leave, or a foreign port, then go hump like rabbits. Don't fuck your subordinates, don't fuck your superiors, so on and so forth.

Jeeze...

[Guy_Fawkes]

I think it just shows how some civilians still have no idea about the military life style, "What you cant have sex with someone when you're over seas? That's insane! I've watched a lot of war movies and they have tons of romance in the military."

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

I think it just shows how some civilians still have no idea about the military life style, "What you cant have sex with someone when you're over seas? That's insane! I've watched a lot of war movies and they have tons of romance in the military."

Yeah. Let's face it happens. But the vast majority are professional enough to exhibit some self control and focus on the mission.

They also don't understand the fall out. Unit cohesion can be trashed if a leader and a subordinate hook up in full knowledge of their troops.

On ships, the CO retains the right to have couples onboard, and I've been on ships where for the most, it's a non issue. As long as they do nothing to suggest they are a couple, and save it for the hotel in port, then they can serve together.

[Guy_Fawkes]

I've seen the same in the Army, there was a married couple in my unit overseas and there were no issues. The husband disliked it quite a bit actually because he couldnt do anything with her since:

A) There really isnt all that much privacy;
B) You are watched pretty closely to make sure it doesnt interfere with work.

Also any time one got word of something happening in the general area of the other their stress level went up. Stuff that you would never hear about back home (ie people getting injured) would put the other on edge until they found out if their spouse was ok.

[Brenda]

I don't understand that people seriously put sex over professionalism, especially in a warzone...

When your life is at stake every day, is your main concern really if you can get laid or not??

[Choban]

Would this even be an issue if said General hadn't been caught, I don't think so, the policy is in place and like any policy someone sometime will break the rules, disipline and move on and stop letting the media have these useless little tidbits for everyone to opinion on.
Fact is that these are professionals and the number breaking the rules is far less that those that abide by them.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Yes, but these 'experts' are saying we should do away with the rule completely since their argument is "oh its gonna happen anyway."

[andyt]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Yes, but these 'experts' are saying we should do away with the rule completely since their argument is "oh its gonna happen anyway."

I thought they were talking about relaxing the strict rules, the way apparently the US military has done.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Probably a good reason to go back to an all male army.

Israel stopped allowing women into combat units in 1974 because of the plethora of problems they encountered with the experiment.

[SprCForr]

Gunnair Gunnair:

They also don't understand the fall out. Unit cohesion can be WILL BE trashed if a leader and a subordinate hook up in full knowledge of their troops.

Fixed.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

Probably a good reason to go back to an all male army.

Israel stopped allowing women into combat units in 1974 because of the plethora of problems they encountered with the experiment.

Well, my understanding from all the soldiers on this forum is that they do have women doing the same combat duties as men in the Canadian army, including the infantry, and that I was an idiot for suggesting anything different. So I guess it's working for Canada.