[Arctic_Menace]

Well this is stupid idea. Good motive behind it, but stupid idea.

[westmanguy]

Brenda Brenda:

The Dutch get a minimum of 20 paid vacationdays, and often 13 paid days off they call another name. Most people get 25 paid days off, + those 13.

Wow. That must be nice. Canadians don't get it that good... If I was to pursue my current part time job as a gasbar attendant as a full time job/career, I would get 2 weeks for my first 5 years, 3 years from year 5-15, and 4 week 16 years +. And when I say weeks, that isn't solid. If I got 2 weeks vacation, thats only 10 days (doesn't include the weekends). And I would get about 10 stat days off (Louis Riel Day, Good Friday, Victoria's Day, Canada Day, Civil Holiday, Labour Day, Thanksgiving Monday, Christmas, Boxing Day, and New Years Day)

20 paid days off...so every person gets a base one month holidays a year...

[Brenda]

It doesnt include stats either.
New Years, 2 days at Christmas, Easter, Ascension Day, Queensday etc etc.

[DVC185]

Huh...and here I thought that the Missus and I worked hard, saved for a reward and took our vacation because we earned it and deserved it for our diligence.

Being a human right my ass. It's an earned privilege to take a vacation.

[BartSimpson]

If health care can be considered a human right then pretty much anything can be considered a human right.

It all cheapens the value of actual rights and, IMHO, is a methodology for getting people to ignore the infraction of their actual rights.

$1:

What right to vote? You have a right to health care, don't you? So what are you complaining about?

[bootlegga]

xerxes xerxes:

Becuas they've realised that giving people paid vacations keeps them in good spirits and keeps them from losing productivity at their jobs. It sounds like laziness in Puritanical North America, but it works in Europe.

[RUEZ]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If health care can be considered a human right then pretty much anything can be considered a human right.

It all cheapens the value of actual rights and, IMHO, is a methodology for getting people to ignore the infraction of their actual rights.

So I take it you are against reasonable health care as a human right?

[Saffron]

Unbelievable!! In 2008, the UN rejected WATER as a basic human right.

[MacDonaill]

I only get two weeks paid vacation per year (that's 10 days) plus the stats (which I think come to 10 days), I assume. There are also paid sick days and paid personal days, but taking too many of those can count against you in times of quality assessment.

I think that three weeks should be a standard minimum. I wish ISO would encourage something like that.

6 weeks would be ideal, but there I'm just dreaming in colour.

[BartSimpson]

RUEZ RUEZ:

So I take it you are against reasonable health care as a human right?

Absolutely.

Inherent rights are those things you are at liberty to do on your own without compelling others to do them for you.

For instance, in the USA you have a right to life, but you do not have a right to have anyone else protect it for you. In most of the Western world, unfortunately, you don't even have a right to protect your life on your own.

You have a right to free speech but you don't have a right to force your local newspaper to publish your opinions.

So why is it that some people think they have a right to demand that other people provide for and pay for their health care?

And if it is a "human right" can a doctor be legally forced to provide medical care in the same way that a soldier can be drafted?

And then what happens to the rights of health care providers? Do they lose their rights when they sign up to be doctors, dentists, nurses, and etc? Because they apparently do in those countries that say what a doctor can and cannot provide even if the patient pays for it on their own.

[Brenda]

So as a store owner, you have the right to refuse customers for no apparent reason? As a doctor, you have the right to refuse a patient? And, do you have the right to die too?

I think you dont understand socialised healthcare. No one is telling a doctor what care he can give. The DOCTOR is telling what kind of care the patient needs.
The insurance company does not decide what care the patient gets. Like they do in the US...

[BartSimpson]

But if health care is a right then how is that right exercised without infringing on someone else? The store owner, for instance, can close on Sunday if he wants and no one cares. But what if you need care and the only doctor around doesn't want to work? Can she be compelled towork tofulfill your right to care?

[Brenda]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

But if health care is a right then how is that right exercised without infringing on someone else? The store owner, for instance, can close on Sunday if he wants and no one cares. But what if you need care and the only doctor around doesn't want to work? Can she be compelled towork tofulfill your right to care?

Can she let you die because she doesnt want to care? The Hippocratic oath is beyond law.
People who work in healthcare now work shifts already. What is your deal? Is that going to change, only because the financial part of the healthcare system changes?
It has nothing to do with doctors or nurses, but with managers and administration.

[herbie]

They want to give more vacations, and some of you are complaining?
Are you retarded or what?

[KorbenDeck]

herbie herbie:

They want to give more vacations, and some of you are complaining?
Are you retarded or what?

The government has no place taxing regular income people more so that someone flipping burgers can go on a vacation.