[Lemmy]

RUEZ RUEZ:

The reason wages go up is because of collective bargaining, and the strike that follows when wages aren't raised.

You don't know what you're talking about. I'm a labour economist. If you won't take my word for it, there's nothing more to say.

[Lemmy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I don't know about that...look at Europe and Scandinavia, where the unionization rates are in the 70%-90% range. Wages are high in those countries and unions are very powerful, politically and economically. In countries like Canada where unionization is only something like 24% including the public sector, it doesn't make sense that unions would restrict their membership and allow non-union companies to outgrow them and make them less relevant. Look at the CAW's constant attempts to unionize Toyota plants.

Collective bargaining and political activity are far more central to union objectives than manipulation of market wage rates, over which they have only limited impact.

The power of a union lies with its power to restrict labour supply. Period. Strikes are one method to achieve that, in the short term, but over the long haul, there needs to be membership which is exclusive.

[RUEZ]

Lemmy Lemmy:

RUEZ RUEZ:

The reason wages go up is because of collective bargaining, and the strike that follows when wages aren't raised.

You don't know what you're talking about. I'm a labour economist. If you won't take my word for it, there's nothing more to say.

Ok bud.

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

The power of a union lies with its power to restrict labour supply. Period. Strikes are one method to achieve that, in the short term, but over the long haul, there needs to be membership which is exclusive.

Duh. Definition of a union. But unions do everything they can to expand that membership. Your claim that the Posties union would not be happy if Canada Post expanded it's deliveries and thus had to hire more workers is just nuts. Unions get their power from larger memberships. It's one reason why unions try to certify jobs that have nothing to do with their original mission. The Steelworkers now represent Coastal Forest workers and I believe even some janitors. The Teamsters have their fingers in all sorts of pies. So before you tell people they don't know what they're talking about, maybe take your nose out of your books and take a look at the real world.

[Lemmy]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Lemmy Lemmy:

RUEZ RUEZ:

The reason wages go up is because of collective bargaining, and the strike that follows when wages aren't raised.

You don't know what you're talking about. I'm a labour economist. If you won't take my word for it, there's nothing more to say.

Ok bud.

No need to cheer me. You're not arguing with me. You're argunig with the entire discipline of labour economics. But go ahead. Re-write the science if you'd like.

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

You don't know what you're talking about. I'm a labour economist. If you won't take my word for it, there's nothing more to say.

Ok bud.[/quote]

No need to cheer me. You're not arguing with me. You're argunig with the entire discipline of labour economics. But go ahead. Re-write the pseudo-science if you'd like.[/quote]

Fixed it for ya.

[Mustang1]

andyt andyt:

Lemmy Lemmy:

You don't know what you're talking about. I'm a labour economist. If you won't take my word for it, there's nothing more to say.

Ok bud.

No need to cheer me. You're not arguing with me. You're argunig with the entire discipline of labour economics. But go ahead. Re-write the pseudo-science if you'd like.[/quote]

Fixed it for ya.[/quote]

Actually, it's a social science.

[andyt]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

andyt andyt:

Lemmy Lemmy:

You don't know what you're talking about. I'm a labour economist. If you won't take my word for it, there's nothing more to say.

Ok bud.

No need to cheer me. You're not arguing with me. You're argunig with the entire discipline of labour economics. But go ahead. Re-write the pseudo-science if you'd like.

Fixed it for ya.[/quote]

Actually, it's a social science.[/quote]

Like I said. I just spell it differently.

[Mustang1]

andyt andyt:

Like I said. I just spell it differently.

Yeah...to the point where it's wrong. Try a dictionary.

[Lemmy]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Actually, it's a social science.

I usually just use the word "discipline", but okay.

[andyt]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

andyt andyt:

Like I said. I just spell it differently.

Yeah...to the point where it's wrong. Try a dictionary.

As I was saying:

pseu·do   [soo-doh] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
not actually but having the appearance of; pretended; false or spurious; sham.
2.
almost, approaching, or trying to be.

[Mustang1]

andyt andyt:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

andyt andyt:

Like I said. I just spell it differently.

Yeah...to the point where it's wrong. Try a dictionary.

As I was saying:

pseu·do   [soo-doh] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
not actually but having the appearance of; pretended; false or spurious; sham.
2.
almost, approaching, or trying to be.

And yet major Canadian universities chose to ignore your poor use of terms. Interesting...i'll side with them and you can still look for the proper terminology.

[Lemmy]

Oh, I see, andy-andy was involved. I don't see his posts. But, now I understand. Economics isn't a psuedo-science, butt-scrub. They don't hand out Nobel Prizes in psuedo-sciences, you argumentative troll.

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Oh, I see, andy-andy was involved. I don't see his posts. But, now I understand. Economics isn't a psuedo-science, butt-scrub. They don't hand out Nobel Prizes in psuedo-sciences, you argumentative troll.

If the second half of this statement

Lemmy Lemmy:

Actually, unions work because they restrict employment. They're not likely to welcome a larger membership.

is representative of economists' thinking, I'm on pretty solid ground in calling economics a farce. If the natural sciences had the sort of fundamental disagreements that economists seem to have, and were so often totally wrong in the predictive abilities of their theories, they would have the decency to hang their heads in shame and just give up.

I'm argumentative. Are you saying you're not? Making head up your ass statement like the one above, and then trying to shut down somebody who begs to differ, because "I'm an economist." Do you have that embossed on your jacket when you go out, so people will know your greatness?