[Choban]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Choban Choban:

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Off topic here but, did you notice if your second jump was scarier than the first? It was for me

I certainly noticed that, I think it had to do with the fact that I knew what was comming. I still haven't had an experience like it.

Second jump is always scarier due to the fact that you now know what landings REALLY feel like. At least military parachuting. Doing civvy free-fall after military parachuting is a cake walk, no heavy rucksacks, no screaming DS and no landing like the proverbial sack of shit!

my jumps have all been civvy.

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Choban Choban:

my jumps have all been civvy.

It's been almost 20 years since I last jumped, and would love to do it again, but my knees and back tell me it wouldn't be such a good idea!

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[PublicAnimalNo9]

commanderkai commanderkai:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

They already sell highly addictive and potentially lethal narcotics.

Read my part about "passing the buck". If people get addicted to a powerful painkiller, they can point to the government in approving the product for use in hospitals. Tell me, do you think the FDA is going to approve cocaine from Johnson and Johnson? Heroin from Amgen? Will they allow their regulatory boards to take the fall when people die from bad heroin doses or an overdose?

The FDA approved acetaminophen in narcotic pain killers, supposedly to keep druggies from abusing them because of the very real threat of liver damage.
If you wanna fuck yer liver up real quick, acetaminophen is the way to go.
Btw, heroin IS used as a pain killer in the medical field, albeit generally for terminally ill patients.
Besides, heroin is basically nothing more than chemically reduced opium. There's a little more to it than that but not gonna go into details
And a GOOD deal of pain killers available are opioid based.

As for the scenario you put forth, it doesn't happen now so why would it after?
When I say now, I mean, how many cases have you seen where a brewery or distillery was sued because some dumb-ass drank themselves to death? Not very many I'd wager. And "bad drug doses" come from idiot dealers stepping on the product to increase their profits. By "stepping" I mean, they cut the drug by adding shit to it, which stretches the amount out. Kinda like adding rolled oats to raw hamburger to make the meat "go further".

[PublicAnimalNo9]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Choban Choban:

$1:

Off topic here but, did you notice if your second jump was scarier than the first? It was for me

I certainly noticed that, I think it had to do with the fact that I knew what was comming. I still haven't had an experience like it.

Second jump is always scarier due to the fact that you now know what landings REALLY feel like.

Yeah, I think that's it. First jump, I didn't really have an idea of just how hard a landing actually is. Second jump, you have a pretty good idea how much it's gonna hurt if things go wrong.

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[CommanderSock]

E doesn't kill...directly.

Taking too much of it will cause you neural damage. If you overheat you could die, but highly unlikely.

E, just like anything Pfizer or J/J make to treat depression if taken out of 'context' can be deadly.

Tainted E is what usually makes the market because the people who mix it are idiots, dropouts, gangsters etc.

Pure MDMA is the preferred choice, not mixed with harmful poisons.

That being said like any chemical such aspirin, ibuprofen, and zantac, it can have its harmful side effects.

The reason why I mentioned that if J/J made it is that, a person would know from the box if they can take it. They could even ask their doctor.

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[commanderkai]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The FDA approved acetaminophen in narcotic pain killers, supposedly to keep druggies from abusing them because of the very real threat of liver damage.

That's the point. The FDA approved it, so therefore no lawsuit happy lawyer can say "Oh you mislead everybody by saying this was safe to use blah blah blah"

Now, move this to cocaine, or easy access to heroin, and does anybody really believe that the FDA will approve for over-the-counter access to heavy narcotics? Will companies want to take that risk, knowing the risk to their reputation and those who will be using said narcotics.

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Btw, heroin IS used as a pain killer in the medical field, albeit generally for terminally ill patients.
Besides, heroin is basically nothing more than chemically reduced opium. There's a little more to it than that but not gonna go into details
And a GOOD deal of pain killers available are opioid based.

And I assume many of those painkillers can't just be bought next to the advils in your local pharmacy, right? I haven't trolled around pharmacies to look for my next high, nor have I had much experience with the medical field, outside of what I have dealt with.

I'll assume the more risky painkillers can only be received through either prescription or through hospital supervision, right?

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As for the scenario you put forth, it doesn't happen now so why would it after?
When I say now, I mean, how many cases have you seen where a brewery or distillery was sued because some dumb-ass drank themselves to death? Not very many I'd wager.

You never heard of a story of a bar getting sued for a drunk driving case? They happen. I'm sure I can see pharmacies being sued for whatever reason you can think of in relation to selling narcotics.

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And "bad drug doses" come from idiot dealers stepping on the product to increase their profits. By "stepping" I mean, they cut the drug by adding shit to it, which stretches the amount out. Kinda like adding rolled oats to raw hamburger to make the meat "go further".

But it also comes from idiot users who shoot too much, pop too many pills, pop the wrong pill, etc.

All I'm trying to express is that legalization won't just instantly lead to decriminalization of narcotics, by decriminalizing, I mean the removal of gang and organized crime elements from narcotics. There are huge issues to resolve before we even consider legalization. Nothing is black and white.

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CommanderSock CommanderSock:

Tisk tisk...

Drug prohibition strikes agaain. If Johnson and Johnson were allowed to make these drugs some highschool drop-out wouldn't have to in his basement.

They soon may be. Researchers have found that X is an incredibly powerful anti depressant with great potential in treating severe clinical depression(caused by a chemical imbalance in the human brain, rather than as an emotional response/reaction) and PTSD. One dose took effect within 1/2 an hour and in quite a few patients, the effect of well being lasted almost a week.

Currently, most of SSRIs used to treat severe depression take weeks, to build up in a persons system, and before any relief is felt. This is what frustrates many of those suffering from this disease.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2008/CNN_E ... _1113.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _84804834/

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[commanderkai]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

You make good points commanderkai.

Personally I wouldn't allow "Over-The-Counter" sale, that's a massive security risk and like you said, sets the ground for 'blaming' people for your choices. I'd prefer it that government agencies provide and regulate, and protect. There also would be zero advertising for it (except for Safe Drug Use and Rehab education). You'd also have to sign release forms and such for what we could call "Personal Medical Experimentation".

Personal information would have to be looked over (if you want some recreational fun, suck it up and let the government see who you are), suspect cases would be denied access, some would be denied leaving the building until their high is over. People who would re-sell these drugs to people who wouldn't be able to access them (teenagers) would be heavily prosecuted. In fact I think it'd be a safe policy to not allow anyone to leave the perspective protected building until all the drug is gone or surrendered, and your high is over.

I see what you're saying, and I'd say there's an issue with it. If you're legalizing narcotics, and then not allowing individuals to leave wherever they purchased their drugs until the drugs are consumed, is that enough? Can those individuals who cannot afford meth/cocaine/heroin be peaceful just because their drug of choice is now legal?

There is a great deal of crime done by organized crime, but also by drug users to further their habits. Sure, there are some stockbrokers snorting coke to keep themselves awake, and there are some terminally ill patients using heroin, but what about those with no other use except for their addiction? Should they get their drugs for free? Should we just keep them in these drug distribution centers due to their danger?

The thing is, I'm not against drug use for some overall religious reason or morality. That's my personal reason to stay away. Some people will make their own choices. However, there are huge effects of legalizing narcotics in ways I don't think we can predict through alcohol prohibition.

Anyway, I'll comment more later. Strategic Studies paper needs to be written.

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