[stemmer]

Looks like Toyota is trying to resolve the issue...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 0012804490

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100223/ap_ ... e_override


Watching the hearing via the CNN website it appears Toyota has a much huger problem with it's electronics....

http://www.cnn.com/

[stemmer]

Please remember there was a criminal investigation in 2006 by the government of Japan for faulty steering issues which resulted in the CEO resigning....

$1:

In 2004, the driver of a Toyota Hilux Surf lost steering control when a relay rod snapped while they were driving on a highway in Kumamoto, Japan. The truck careened over a median, striking another vehicle in oncoming traffic and injuring five people. Japanese police investigators determined that the cause of the accident was a defective steering relay rod on the Toyota. The defective relay rod fractured before the accident, causing the driver to lose control of the vehicle’s steering. The police asked local prosecutors to conduct a criminal investigation of three executives from Toyota's head office for professional negligence in their decision not to issue a recall or to take other safety measures on the affected Toyota vehicles.

The results of the Japanese investigation and the intense public outcry were deeply embarrassing for Toyota. In response, Toyota issued a recall of the affected vehciles, but only in Japan. (Click Here to see Toyota's drawing from the 2004 Japanese Recall)Company executives refused to issue a recall in the United States for trucks with the same defective part.

You can read the complete article here... http://www.toyotasteeringrecall.com/investigation.html

[Lemmy]

And yet Toyota sales are up for February. http://www.thestar.com/business/article/767154--toyota-s-sales-up-despite-recalls

So buyers understand that the Toyota recall, while an expensive headache for Toyota, is a minor, easily-corrected problem. Consumers recognize that this recall is an example of a company doing right for its customers. Consumers understand that Toyota quality is not in question, despite the best efforts of xenophobes like our own Stemmer. Really, dude, you need a new hobby.

[poquas]

Lemmy Lemmy:

And yet Toyota sales are up for February. http://www.thestar.com/business/article/767154--toyota-s-sales-up-despite-recalls

So buyers understand that the Toyota recall, while an expensive headache for Toyota, is a minor, easily-corrected problem. Consumers recognize that this recall is an example of a company doing right for its customers. Consumers understand that Toyota quality is not in question, despite the best efforts of xenophobes like our own Stemmer. Really, dude, you need a new hobby.

...or maybe just a life.

It's the same old, same old. Recognizing anything positive Toyota has done is against his agenda.

[stemmer]

Then explain the criminal investigation of Toyota by the government of Japan in 2006?

[stemmer]

Lemmy Lemmy:

And yet Toyota sales are up for February. http://www.thestar.com/business/article/767154--toyota-s-sales-up-despite-recalls

So buyers understand that the Toyota recall, while an expensive headache for Toyota, is a minor, easily-corrected problem. Consumers recognize that this recall is an example of a company doing right for its customers. Consumers understand that Toyota quality is not in question, despite the best efforts of xenophobes like our own Stemmer. Really, dude, you need a new hobby.

Funny...there appears to be a contradictory news article today....

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Toyota's January sales already fell 16 percent even as most other automakers rebounded from last year's dismal results. Analyst Koji Endo of Advanced Research Japan in Tokyo said he expects February sales, due out next week, to be down 30 percent to 40. Toyota's sales woes well could continue beyond that.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/02/ ... -hearings/

Also from the same article, troubles are only beginning for Toyota....

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Toyota faces a criminal investigation by federal prosecutors in New York. The Securities and Exchange Commission is investigating the company. Its beleaguered U.S. dealerships are facing repairs to potentially millions of customer vehicles that have been recalled. The company is offering customers new reimbursements for rental cars and other expenses.

Its lawyers are bracing for waves of death and injury lawsuits. The Senate will conduct a new hearing next week. And the cost to Toyota's reputation is only now starting to emerge.

"There is still a very large bull's-eye pinned to Toyota right now," said Aaron Bragman, an auto industry analyst with IHS Global Insight.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Now THAT is funny. The SEC, the SAME body that allowed Wall Street to pull off the shit that sent our world into an economic tailspin, ruined millions of ppl's lives and made sure the crooks that pulled it off still got their nice golden parachutes, is NOW concerned about the public and is going to investigate Toyota. Too bad they didn't have that same mentality in 2008. Oh wait, now I know why. All those companies were, wait for itttttt........ American.

[poquas]

There is no question in my mind the mid-terms and the push for protectionism in America is behind the whole thing. Toyota was unlucky enough to be an available target.

Stemmer has his own reasons.

[stemmer]

And what are those reasons? Please enlighten me...

US is learning about protectionism from Japan... At least the US allows Toyota, Honda, Nissan to setup manufacturing plants in the US unlike Japan allowing US auto manufacturers to setup shop in Japan...

[poquas]

stemmer stemmer:

And what are those reasons? Please enlighten me...

US is learning about protectionism from Japan... At least the US allows Toyota, Honda, Nissan to setup manufacturing plants in the US unlike Japan allowing US auto manufacturers to setup shop in Japan...

Extreme xenophobia or bigotry or both, take your pick.

As for setting up US manufacturers in Japan, why? Who would be crazy enough to buy junk like that in Japan?

[commanderkai]

poquas poquas:

Extreme xenophobia or bigotry or both, take your pick.

As for setting up US manufacturers in Japan, why? Who would be crazy enough to buy junk like that in Japan?

Hilarious. Somebody who doesn't like Toyota is a bigot or a xenophobe.

The United States is becoming more protectionist. People should have known this with Obama. The auto industry is a major manufacturing sector in the US, and they would receive some benefits of this, no doubt. Toyota, no matter what people try to push this off as, is not a victim of a witch hunt, but of their own stupidity over this vehicle issue, much like the US automakers were from bad labour policies. Japan has been protectionist over it's own industries, the Americans have every right to do the same, no matter how much I might disagree with protectionism.

[poquas]

commanderkai commanderkai:

poquas poquas:

Extreme xenophobia or bigotry or both, take your pick.

As for setting up US manufacturers in Japan, why? Who would be crazy enough to buy junk like that in Japan?

Hilarious. Somebody who doesn't like Toyota is a bigot or a xenophobe.

The United States is becoming more protectionist. People should have known this with Obama. The auto industry is a major manufacturing sector in the US, and they would receive some benefits of this, no doubt. Toyota, no matter what people try to push this off as, is not a victim of a witch hunt, but of their own stupidity over this vehicle issue, much like the US automakers were from bad labour policies. Japan has been protectionist over it's own industries, the Americans have every right to do the same, no matter how much I might disagree with protectionism.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention……. Stemmer is rabidly opposed to all things Asian. Japanese, Korean, Chinese, it’s been all the same to him. To the point of bringing up forced slave labour by the Japanese in the past. I think his motives have been pretty clear and he’s been called on this by a number of other posters.

The whole Toyota thing has become a protectionist’s wet dream. I wonder how they’re going to explain the huge numbers of lost American jobs if they really hammer Toyota, or will they slink away quietly once the mid-terms are over and let the whole thing die.

[stemmer]

Wasn't it the WTO Chief who recently alleged Japan was the most protectionist member of the G8?

[stemmer]

poquas poquas:

commanderkai commanderkai:

poquas poquas:

Extreme xenophobia or bigotry or both, take your pick.

As for setting up US manufacturers in Japan, why? Who would be crazy enough to buy junk like that in Japan?

Hilarious. Somebody who doesn't like Toyota is a bigot or a xenophobe.

The United States is becoming more protectionist. People should have known this with Obama. The auto industry is a major manufacturing sector in the US, and they would receive some benefits of this, no doubt. Toyota, no matter what people try to push this off as, is not a victim of a witch hunt, but of their own stupidity over this vehicle issue, much like the US automakers were from bad labour policies. Japan has been protectionist over it's own industries, the Americans have every right to do the same, no matter how much I might disagree with protectionism.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention……. Stemmer is rabidly opposed to all things Asian. Japanese, Korean, Chinese, it’s been all the same to him. To the point of bringing up forced slave labour by the Japanese in the past. I think his motives have been pretty clear and he’s been called on this by a number of other posters.

The whole Toyota thing has become a protectionist’s wet dream. I wonder how they’re going to explain the huge numbers of lost American jobs if they really hammer Toyota, or will they slink away quietly once the mid-terms are over and let the whole thing die.

It's not me alleging Toyota uses slave labour in some of their plants. It was The National Labor Committee & Bloomberg to name a few...

[Lemmy]

commanderkai commanderkai:

The United States is becoming more protectionist. People should have known this with Obama. The auto industry is a major manufacturing sector in the US, and they would receive some benefits of this, no doubt. Toyota, no matter what people try to push this off as, is not a victim of a witch hunt, but of their own stupidity over this vehicle issue, much like the US automakers were from bad labour policies. Japan has been protectionist over it's own industries, the Americans have every right to do the same, no matter how much I might disagree with protectionism.

Surely the Americans aren't foolish enough to make the same mistakes they made 30+ years ago. It was American protectionism, in the form of "voluntary export restrictions", in the 1970s that drove the price of Toyotas and Hondas up, earning those companies MASSIVE profits.

Toyota's only mistake with this current accelerator problem is that they recalled the vehicles. By taking responsibility for fixing a MINOR problem, they earned scores of bad press. They would have been better off to act like Ford or GM and just let the customers pay for the repairs on those FEW cars that actually malfunction. The xenophobes turned this story from what should have been a SUPERB example of customer support into a Japanese conspiracy on the scale of the Pearl Harbor attack. So much for a company doing right by consumers. The lesson learned is to keep your mouth shut and let the car-owner look after their own repairs, like the Big 3 have been doing FOREVER.