[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Disarming a guy with a knife in a restricted space is actually very easy, it's all in controlling the wrist and then a few well delivered blows to certain vital areas. Just about any good self defence class can teach you that. The bus incident would have been even easier to take him from behind and render him unconcious.

I will agree with you that one will never know with 100% certainty how one will react to an incident. Training and confidence can help to prepare you for such times.

I agree with most of this except the part about disarming the guy. So long as you let him hang onto the knife you've got a perfectly defensible reason to kick the hell out of him. Unless you've got a pressing appointment or something why not have a little fun?

You a tough guy too, Bart? You've actually done this?

I've also instructed others to do it. That tends to happen after 25 years in uniform.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I've also instructed others to do it. That tends to happen after 25 years in uniform.

Alright, you've got the training, so maybe you could. Have you done it for real, when the guy is really trying to stab you? And, because you have that training, does that mean the majority who don't should just step in there and go for it too?

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I've also instructed others to do it. That tends to happen after 25 years in uniform.

Alright, you've got the training, so maybe you could. Have you done it for real, when the guy is really trying to stab you? And, because you have that training, does that mean the majority who don't should just step in there and go for it too?

You know what, I agree with you. I mentioned before that I wouldn't have done anything either. I think I would just throw myself on my kids to make sure they don't get harmed, but I sure as hell would not stand up and step in. I'd freeze.
Does it make me a coward? No. It makes me one less victim, because I definitely would get stabbed.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Alright, you've got the training, so maybe you could. Have you done it for real, when the guy is really trying to stab you? And, because you have that training, does that mean the majority who don't should just step in there and go for it too?

I've done it for real but not in the line of duty.

I would not advise an untrained person to get involved in a knife fight just to prove a point and then fill a body bag, no. But you can always do other things to a knife wielding opponent.

In now 40 states in the USA you can draw your legally concealed weapon and shoot the attacker. In Canada you could use a handy blunt instrument against the attacker, but then afterwards I'd advise you to make yourself scarce before the police come along and accuse you of doing their job...as the Canadian cops are fond of doing.

Disarming someone is a skill, but harming them is pretty basic stuff. I know someone who once put down a very uneven bar fight with a fire extinguisher. You spray that chemical crap at your attackers and their attention rapidly changes from attacking you to just trying to breathe. If you're so inclined, a gasping attacker is then easily put down with the proper application of said fire extinguisher to the noggin.

As I think about this, merely being AWARE of your situation and surroundings is probably much more important than any training. Me, I'd probably engage a knife wielding attacker because that's what I'm more or less conditioned to do. A more thoughtful person might well back off and go find that proverbial fire extinguisher and take down the same attacker with far less risk to himself. There's no reason why a thoughtful fellow like yourself could not think of a way to take on an attacker within the scope of your abilities. But I still would not expect you to try to disarm someone.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

My next door neighbour and Akido instructor in my younger days had a some good words of wisdom. If you get into a scrape and a knife is pulled on you, no matter how good at fighting you think you are, run like hell, keep your eyes peeled for a large branch or piece of stray metal pipe or anyting else heavy and handy, and if you find one, turn around and bash his fucking skull in if he's still chasing you.

[Regina]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

My next door neighbour and Akido instructor in my younger days had a some good words of wisdom. If you get into a scrape and a knife is pulled on you, no matter how good at fighting you think you are, run like hell, keep your eyes peeled for a large branch or piece of stray metal pipe or anyting else heavy and handy, and if you find one, turn around and bash his fucking skull in if he's still chasing you.

[BartSimpson]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

My next door neighbour and Akido instructor in my younger days had a some good words of wisdom. If you get into a scrape and a knife is pulled on you, no matter how good at fighting you think you are, run like hell, keep your eyes peeled for a large branch or piece of stray metal pipe or anyting else heavy and handy, and if you find one, turn around and bash his fucking skull in if he's still chasing you.

+1

[Public_Domain]

[bootlegga]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I've also instructed others to do it. That tends to happen after 25 years in uniform.

Alright, you've got the training, so maybe you could. Have you done it for real, when the guy is really trying to stab you? And, because you have that training, does that mean the majority who don't should just step in there and go for it too?

You know what, I agree with you. I mentioned before that I wouldn't have done anything either. I think I would just throw myself on my kids to make sure they don't get harmed, but I sure as hell would not stand up and step in. I'd freeze.
Does it make me a coward? No. It makes me one less victim, because I definitely would get stabbed.

No doubt. How does you getting stabbed help your children?

It's all well and good for those trained to deal with violent behaviour to say that they would step into the fray, but IMHO, that doesn't also give them the right to denigrate those who lack the training (and therefore the confidence) to handle such a situation.

[2Cdo]

bootlegga bootlegga:

No doubt. How does you getting stabbed help your children?

It's all well and good for those trained to deal with violent behaviour to say that they would step into the fray, but IMHO, that doesn't also give them the right to denigrate those who lack the training (and therefore the confidence) to handle such a situation.

I just can't understand how people can stand around and not try to help.

[Public_Domain]

[2Cdo]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

There's not a lot of empathy in today's society, 2Cdo.

More's the shame.

[martin14]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

There's not a lot of empathy in today's society, 2Cdo.

True

[Public_Domain]

[BartSimpson]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

There's not a lot of empathy in today's society, 2Cdo.

I can see you really are not at all qualified for the boardroom.

And that, my friend, is a compliment.