[Gunnair]

$1:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Fear mongering to hide information. A sad last resort.

I will do my holier than thou though, when I am holier than thou...

Your answer seems to be to 'lie to the people or at best hide the truth from the people', mine is not. I believe my profession has a higher moral mandate than that. That makes me think I'm better than you.

Sorry if that bothers you...

Yeah, well your self-righteously attitude doesn't go very far with me.[/quote]

Really? Well, that's a blow...

$1:

I believe that during war an inquiry would weaken moral and possiblely disclose vital information or knowledge to the enemy combatants.

There is clearly a time and place for these things, and during war is not.

We'll agree to disagree then.

[tritium]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guess that's why you're a truck driver.

Yup, that's why I am a truck driver who earned $72,000 last year. (plus extra income from 2 other small businesses)

How much does a grunt or ship boson earn these days Gunnair?

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o.k. enough with the flaming.

This inquiry B.S. is a nonissue. Really.

Not unlike a traffic accident...lot's of damage to two vehicles...no fatalities.

Quit rubbernecking and carry on...

[Gunnair]

tritium tritium:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guess that's why you're a truck driver.

Yup, that's why I am a truck driver who earned $72,000 last year. (plus extra income from 2 other small businesses)

How much does a grunt or ship boson earn these days Gunnair?

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o.k. enough with the flaming.

This inquiry B.S. is a nonissue. Really.

Not unlike a traffic accident...lot's of damage to two vehicles...no fatalities.

Quit rubbernecking and carry on...

Well, I apologize for that last flame. I had hoped I'd removed it in time, it was really over the line. Unfortunately, I wasn't fast enough.

The grunt on the ship earns more than $72,000 though...

Give up the truck for a lifejacket.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

Who cares? thousands of people .. except some tory tards I guess

Compared to the millions(of all political stripes, including your BQ/PQ comrades) who don't really give a shit.

[OnTheIce]

tritium tritium:

The Liberals knew in 2004 that Afghan prisons were dens of torture and killings, yet, they still arranged to have Cdn detainees handed over to the ANP and without followup inspections!

Not only that, under Liberal government, the Red Cross was not notified of transfers for up to 3 months... but the Harper govt fixed that by April 2006.

Funny how this goes completely unnoticed by the likes of Curtman.

It's OK when the Liberals prorogue parliament.

It's OK when the Liberals hand over prisoners to dens of torture.

If these issues are soooo important to Canadians, why has nothing been said for DECADES about prorogation and nothing was done by the Liberals regarding torture?

[Akhenaten]

TO me the one thing the poor turn out proved was that this was pretty much only the people that didn't vote for Harper and would never vote for Harper. I don't think minds were changed anywhere. Really the situation was a bit of a break for Harper, I know that sounds black but it's true. It's hard to keep chanting 'get back to work' at a time when it was pretty obvious they were hard at work at something.

What plan of attack now? Can only call people out for so many rallies. There's only so many social networking sites. Where's the encore?

[Akhenaten]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

tritium tritium:

The Liberals knew in 2004 that Afghan prisons were dens of torture and killings, yet, they still arranged to have Cdn detainees handed over to the ANP and without followup inspections!

Not only that, under Liberal government, the Red Cross was not notified of transfers for up to 3 months... but the Harper govt fixed that by April 2006.

Funny how this goes completely unnoticed by the likes of Curtman.

Curtman Curtman:

The best Conservative government is worse than the worst Liberal government

Don't think it would matter if it was noticed.

[tritium]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Well, I apologize for that last flame. I had hoped I'd removed it in time, it was really over the line. Unfortunately, I wasn't fast enough.

The grunt on the ship earns more than $72,000 though...

Give up the truck for a lifejacket.

Yeah no thanks, I like dry ground.

btw, remember I stated I pulled a short stint in the military.

♥♥♥ You Can't Bullshit The Bullshitter ♥♥♥.

http://www.forces.ca/media/_PDF/PayScalesNCMReg_en.pdf

[Curtman]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Funny how this goes completely unnoticed by the likes of Curtman.

It's OK when the Liberals prorogue parliament.

It's OK when the Liberals hand over prisoners to dens of torture.

If these issues are soooo important to Canadians, why has nothing been said for DECADES about prorogation and nothing was done by the Liberals regarding torture?

When did I say its okay for anyone to prorogue unless it is to start a new session after its work is done? When did I say it was okay for anyone to condone torture?

It's never okay. As I've said before I likely won't be voting Liberal in the next election. I do not support everything the Liberal party does. If the Canadian Government was complicit with torture it should be held accountable. I don't care what colour it was at what time, it should be investigated now that evidence has been brought forth.

In previous decades, Canadians didn't have social networking sites to organize these protests. We don't have to rely on political parties anymore. We get to tell them what we think about the job they are doing, and we don't have to be spoon fed by the media.

[PimpBrewski123]

So Gunnair, see your point.

Although, it's a matter of policies. And that's why there are some non-partisansery on some voters. A good thing in some ways.

Still, I like the CPC's position on some issues, despite what the media is displaying out there. Anyways. as long as the Bloc Quebecois can ''kiss my ass''. Pretty much useless. Then, they need to show responsibility so as to get Federalist votes in the province.

[Gunnair]

tritium tritium:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Well, I apologize for that last flame. I had hoped I'd removed it in time, it was really over the line. Unfortunately, I wasn't fast enough.

The grunt on the ship earns more than $72,000 though...

Give up the truck for a lifejacket.

Yeah no thanks, I like dry ground.

btw, remember I stated I pulled a short stint in the military.

♥♥♥ You Can't Bullshit The Bullshitter ♥♥♥.

http://www.forces.ca/media/_PDF/PayScalesNCMReg_en.pdf

Those figures are first year incentive that doesn't include Post Living Differnetial and Sea Pay. As a CPO2 (MWO) 2nd incentive with twelve years sea pay, I make good coin.

[Smacle]

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[EyeBrock]

Curtman Curtman:

tritium tritium:

Gunnair Gunnair:

That explosive 'plop' you may hear might be your own head emerging soon...

yeah funny guy..

Harper rejects Afghan detainee inquiry. I would say smart move, doesn't want it to be a black eye on Canada or Canada's military. You should respect that.

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2293757

Besides, what will happen? The Gov't will prosecute a few low-level enlistees for their involvement in abuse of a few prisoners. A few sacrificial lambs in time of war.

In Afghanistan, Canada and the USA are at war with an ideology, and with people that would kill our soldiers any chance they get.

So if they use sleep deprivation, stress positions to gain vital information from Afghan detainees to save lives, so be it.

What it does is justify the enemy in using those tactics against us. We can't claim the moral high ground and 'win the hearts and minds' if we support people who use torture. It undermines everything we do there.

There is evidence that it happened, the question is whether we knew it was happening. If we didn't know it was happening, everything is fine and good as long as we change our behaviour now that we know it has happened. The fact that they are going to great lengths do avoid answering questions about it makes it seem probable that they did know.

We support people who use torture? I hope you can back that assertion up.

What about the way the Afghans treat women and children? Should we change that as well?

Haiti has gangs and a corrupt government that abuses it's people too. Time to sort them out as well?

[EyeBrock]

Gunnair Gunnair:

tritium tritium:

Gunnair; so what if this is not the time for an inquiry.

What if an inquiry may disclose information that could endanger Canadian lives.

It's not that I am against an inquiry, however there is a time for everything.

...and don't try to play your holier than thou attitude, I have had family members who have fought and died for Canada in both World Wars, as well as served myself for a short time.

Fear mongering to hide information. A sad last resort.

I will do my holier than thou though, when I am holier than thou...

Your answer seems to be to 'lie to the people or at best hide the truth from the people', mine is not. I believe my profession has a higher moral mandate than that. That makes me think I'm better than you.

Sorry if that bothers you...

Trituim has a point. If we are going to put our military through the Commons and media lynch mobs, maybe it should happen after we stop taking a combat role in 2011.

Even the Brits waited until they pulled out Iraq before they had a major inquiry about the deployment.

We should be thinking about our men and women who are in combat first.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We support people who use torture? I hope you can back that assertion up.

Do we? That's the question that Stephen Harper shut down parliament to avoid answering. If we don't, then he should let the committee do its job and clear our good name.