[2Cdo]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Or are you guys all just full of it?

Full of it for 500 dollars Alex!

[romanP]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You need to brush up a bit on parliamentry procedure matey. The next session starts with a budget vote. Budget votes are always a confidence vote.

Whether or not there is a budget vote, the opposition should be shouting "no confidence".

$1:

If the Liberals truly believe that the prorogue that has shocked the nation ( lets remember the stats: Chretien 4 prorogues, Trudeau 10 progrogues) then the Libs can take him to task at the first available opportunity, the budget.

Or are you guys all just full of it?

I don't know what those prorogues were for. I hadn't even heard of the term until last year. Unless you can provide some context, calling out "this person did this ten years ago and that person did that fourty years ago" doesn't really serve any purpose but tit-for-tat mudslinging. We need progress, not more prorogation, no matter who did what in the past.

[EyeBrock]

No roman. It just shows how this has been blown up by the media.

It is relevant that Chretien did it four times and Trudeau did it ten times if Liberals and the media are making a big deal about prorogue now.

Don't throw stones in glass houses comes to mind and if you can't see that then you are cherry picking your causes in a most partisan way.

And as I mentioned, the budget vote is a confidence vote as a matter of parliamentary procedure.

If the Liberals think that the Canadian public are so aghast at Harpers use of the rules of the House, they should vote against the budget and force an election.

Otherwise add your name to the FaceBook page.

[romanP]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

No roman. It just shows how this has been blown up by the media.

It is relevant that Chretien did it four times and Trudeau did it ten times if Liberals and the media are making a big deal about prorogue now.

I doubt anyone liked it then, and not very many people like it now. How does this fix things, or move us forward, by saying "this person did this ten years ago, so it's okay for us to do it now"?

$1:

Don't throw stones in glass houses comes to mind and if you can't see that then you are cherry picking your causes in a most partisan way.

I'm not partisan at all. You're making the mistake of assuming that because I don't support Stephen Harper's extremely bad decision that I don't think all previous prorogations were equally undemocratic. It's the fact that it's happening one more time, and for incredibly selfish reasons, that puts me off; not whether the Conservatives or the Liberals or Xenu does it.

$1:

And as I mentioned, the budget vote is a confidence vote as a matter of parliamentary procedure.

And as I mentioned, whether there is a budget vote or not, people are really losing their cool with Stephen Harper's attitude. He really seems to think that we are all stupid and will swallow anything he tells us. He does not seem to realise that the rest of the country is not as foolish and gullible as his base.

$1:

If the Liberals think that the Canadian public are so aghast at Harpers use of the rules of the House, they should vote against the budget and force an election.

They probably will. The only news I've heard is that the Liberals will go back to work whether Stephen Harper likes it or not. Good on them.

$1:

Otherwise add your name to the FaceBook page.

I don't need you to tell me to do that. I've been a member for two weeks. I'll be at the protest on Parliament Hill next Saturday and, if I have time, I'll probably be at some of the planning meetings too.

[EyeBrock]

"People are losing their cool with Steven Harper."

Sure they are, those people are called 'Liberals'.

[romanP]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

"People are losing their cool with Steven Harper."

Sure they are, those people are called 'Liberals'.

Actually, they're called "60% of everyone in Canada." The only people that support this move are Stephen Harper's base. Most people are very unhappy with his decision. If you believe otherwise, you're probably reading numbers quoted by Conservative Party members, who all seem to believe that everyone else is as foolish and gullible as their base.

[EyeBrock]

But that 60% had no opinion on the 14 prorogues of Chretien and Trudeau?

Oh I forgot, those didn't count with you roman, you hadn't heard of any others except Harper's last year.

When 60% of Canada starts complaining about it I'll have it. At the moment 200,000 on FaceBook and a few Liberals saying they will be on a demo doesn't count as a nation in turmoil over the prorogue, no matter how many times the Liberals and the media tell us about how bad this well used parliamentary procedure is.

While you whip up a few more Lib's to join the FaceBook group, Harper's government are knee deep in day 6 of the Haiti relief mission.

[poquas]

I've never voted Liberal. I've always voted Conservative.

It doesn't matter who prorogues, it's wrong.

In Harper's case it's much worse than those in the past. He blatantly refused to deal with the tough issues and decided to cut and run instead.

The man is a control freak and a coward.

[OnTheIce]

romanP romanP:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

"People are losing their cool with Steven Harper."

Sure they are, those people are called 'Liberals'.

Actually, they're called "60% of everyone in Canada." The only people that support this move are Stephen Harper's base. Most people are very unhappy with his decision. If you believe otherwise, you're probably reading numbers quoted by Conservative Party members, who all seem to believe that everyone else is as foolish and gullible as their base.

Most people? Give me a break.

Most Canadians don't even know what prorogue means! Most Canadians don't give a rats ass that Harper suspended the shit-show for another few months. It's off the radar of Canadians and the complete lack of media coverage shows that.

Sure, some polls may indicate that it's an issue for those who actually know what happened but with the problems in the World today, like a Country devastated by an earthquake, this will be a non-issue more than ever in a few short days.

I know Liberals and others are DESPERATE for any issue, ANYTHING to score points. This isn't the issue that's going to change the tide. Save your energy for more important things like policy, fundraising and finding a leader that people actually like.

[EyeBrock]

poquas poquas:

I've never voted Liberal. I've always voted Conservative.

It doesn't matter who prorogues, it's wrong.

In Harper's case it's much worse than those in the past. He blatantly refused to deal with the tough issues and decided to cut and run instead.

The man is a control freak and a coward.

Yes and we remember you well poquas. The "Tory" that does nothing but slag them.

[PluggyRug]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

and finding a leader that people actually like.

Better say that quietly, the Libs will soon be promoting Trudeau junior.

[Lemmy]

What I don't get is why non-Conservatives are complaining. We keep telling Harper to "Fuck Off" and then when he agrees to fuck off for a while, we give him shit for it.

Fuck off, Steve, and stay fucked-off as long as you'd like.

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

What I don't get is why non-Conservatives are complaining. We keep telling Harper to "Fuck Off" and then when he agrees to fuck off for a while, we give him shit for it.

Fuck off, Steve, and stay fucked-off as long as you'd like.

61% of Canadians agree.

61% of Canadians either support or don't give a shit about the prorogation.

http://www.harrisdecima.ca/sites/defaul ... -en414.pdf

[poquas]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

poquas poquas:

I've never voted Liberal. I've always voted Conservative.

It doesn't matter who prorogues, it's wrong.

In Harper's case it's much worse than those in the past. He blatantly refused to deal with the tough issues and decided to cut and run instead.

The man is a control freak and a coward.

Yes and we remember you well poquas. The "Tory" that does nothing but slag them.

Yes Eyebrock. “We” remember you as well. The rent-a-cop with the attitude problems.

When the Tories stop acting like poorly behaved five year olds, under the command of a cowardly two year old, I’ll stop slagging them.

[romanP]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

But that 60% had no opinion on the 14 prorogues of Chretien and Trudeau?

I have no idea. I don't even know what you're trying to prove by bringing that up. "It's okay because they did it too" is something a five year old says to his mom after picking a fight with the kid down the street.

$1:

Oh I forgot, those didn't count with you roman, you hadn't heard of any others except Harper's last year.

I didn't say they didn't count. I only said I hadn't heard the word being used before.

I'll tell you what I think, and you tell me what you think. Don't tell me what I think, because you don't know what I think.

Here's what I think: I think you need to come up with a better justification for supporting another prorogue than "they did it too." If that's what you think we should base our democracy on, and if you think that a majority of Canadians think like you do, then this country is in a lot of trouble.

$1:

When 60% of Canada starts complaining about it I'll have it. At the moment 200,000 on FaceBook and a few Liberals saying they will be on a demo doesn't count as a nation in turmoil over the prorogue, no matter how many times the Liberals and the media tell us about how bad this well used parliamentary procedure is.

Two hundred thousand people joining a Facebook group is a pretty considerable force. It's by no means a majority of people across Canada, but those people will be organising with people on and off Facebook to rally against this. There is a lot more going on than you know about.

$1:

While you whip up a few more Lib's to join the FaceBook group, Harper's government are knee deep in day 6 of the Haiti relief mission.

I know very few people who would vote for the Liberal party. I don't even know what political party 99% of the people on that Facebook group align themselves with, if any. Regardless of the massive tragedy of Haiti, we've got our own tragedy to deal with at home. We wouldn't be able to do anything in Haiti if our government was run for the past 140 years like Stephen Harper wants it run.