[raydan]

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

raydan raydan:

DonnaWho DonnaWho:

Leave the tigers alone

I've seen them play football, they're pretty harmless.

Nice one!


(Sorry, DW.. he did get ya there )

DW's an easy target.

[Mockingbird]

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

Mockingbird Mockingbird:

Funny too that while you seem to oppose encroachment you yourself admit you live/d in areas where bears and moose frequent your property. How can you then vilify encroachment when you yourself....encroach?

I oppose people who buy homes on the "lovely, scenic hillside, overlooking the natural lake" and then play the martyr once they realize they have four legged neighbours. I accept that I'm in "their territory", and do not complain when they pop by to check out the new lawn ornaments. I also accept that there's a risk to having them about. When in urban residence, I accept that my human neighbours can be at least as dangerous as any moose could be.

$1:

I think this animal was acting out of instinct, the same instinct that all animals have when it comes to defending their young. I feel fault lies with the resort owners for being unaware of the potential dangers surrounding their resort which led to this unfortunate incident.

I agree on the instinct part. It's undoubtedly what fueled the incident. As far as fault - partially. They did post a sign. What more can they do, really? To predict animal behaviour is like predicting the weather. We all know how well we do at that.

Just seems you are having your cake and eating it too I guess. I found it odd that while you so oppose encroachment (as eluded to in a previous post) you then admit to pandering to it yourself.

Still, the question remains on the table, if Yogi or Boo-Boo or Mr. Moose were to harm a child of yours, and continued to be a threat to that child, would you not be one of those who would indeed call in conservation officers to deal with the animal? And if so, would that not make you a martyr?

Perhaps more than posting a sign could be helpful, much like in Prov. parks. when a grizz etc. is known to be in the area trails or campsites are often closed to the public. I know this is not foolprof and animals can be unpredictable in their movement, but perhaps if they worked with wildlife officials there and knew of the approx. whereabouts of some of these animals incidents such as this could possibly be avoided.

[Zipperfish]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Fits of unprovoked rage? Brutal goring of kids? Maybe we should just kill them all then. And the snakes. And the tigers.

This summer I was ruthlessly attacked by some poson ivy. Let's nuke the posion ivy!

I never said we should kill them all, just ones threaten human safety. Had someone in that group carried a firearm they may still be alive.

I don't know if an elephant would "be at a high risk to re-offend" the same way a man-eating cougar or tiger would be.

But I know what you mean--I was with an American one time workgin in the bush and he was just floored that I didn't have a gun for bears. Probably not a bad idea, it just never crossed my mind until that point.

[saturn_656]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I don't know if an elephant would "be at a high risk to re-offend" the same way a man-eating cougar or tiger would be.

But I know what you mean--I was with an American one time workgin in the bush and he was just floored that I didn't have a gun for bears. Probably not a bad idea, it just never crossed my mind until that point.

With cougars we know why they attack in most cases. In the last two incidents in BC it was young children that were attacked. I have no doubt that the cougars saw them as prey.

When elephants attack people there isn't always a clear reason as to why, they can be docile one moment and extremely aggressive the next. Give me the choice and I'd take meeting a cougar or a bear over an unstable elephant any day.

In the bush, carrying a firearm is like having an insurance policy. Sure you could go your whole life and never need it, but...

[wildrosegirl]

Mockingbird Mockingbird:

Just seems you are having your cake and eating it too I guess. I found it odd that while you so oppose encroachment (as eluded to in a previous post) you then admit to pandering to it yourself.

Again - I'm opposed to people who encroach and then want the wildlife eradicated. Cohabitation isn't the issue. Human superiority is.

$1:

Still, the question remains on the table, if Yogi or Boo-Boo or Mr. Moose were to harm a child of yours, and continued to be a threat to that child, would you not be one of those who would indeed call in conservation officers to deal with the animal? And if so, would that not make you a martyr?

That's a wee bit different, if I may split hairs. A one time incident is different than a "repeat offender". To answer, I'll give it to you two ways.

1) In any event, I'd MUCH rather see relocation. Only seems fair. If you run someone out of their home, you should at least offer them new digs.


2) If (God forbid) something ever did happen to one of my children, I think I could cope better with them being taken from me by an animal than another human being.

Animals kill out of instinct. Humans kill for far less respectable reasons. (Generally)

[Robair]

This is a good book about the most famouse elephant that ever lived. I recommend. There's one chapter in the middle that gets a little hippyish and weird, but the rest is based on the facts, the true story about this animals amazing life.

From reading that book, I learned that elephants have been used to execute criminals. Instead of death by firing squad, it's death by pachyderm!

[gonavy47]

All humans should be irradicated! Bastards!

[Mockingbird]

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

Mockingbird Mockingbird:

Just seems you are having your cake and eating it too I guess. I found it odd that while you so oppose encroachment (as eluded to in a previous post) you then admit to pandering to it yourself.

Again - I'm opposed to people who encroach and then want the wildlife eradicated. Cohabitation isn't the issue. Human superiority is.

$1:

Still, the question remains on the table, if Yogi or Boo-Boo or Mr. Moose were to harm a child of yours, and continued to be a threat to that child, would you not be one of those who would indeed call in conservation officers to deal with the animal? And if so, would that not make you a martyr?

That's a wee bit different, if I may split hairs. A one time incident is different than a "repeat offender". To answer, I'll give it to you two ways.

1) In any event, I'd MUCH rather see relocation. Only seems fair. If you run someone out of their home, you should at least offer them new digs.


2) If (God forbid) something ever did happen to one of my children, I think I could cope better with them being taken from me by an animal than another human being.

Animals kill out of instinct. Humans kill for far less respectable reasons. (Generally)

So because you would prefer "problem" wildlife be relocated rather than eradicated you think this is a moral victory on your part, and you further believe this is an easy answer? No disrespect but I don't. Relocation can be stressful on many animals for many reasons including but not limited to:

Unfamiliar with new terrain, leading to stress.

Unfamiliar with food sources in unfamiliar terrain which can be increasingly problematic if weather conditions are poor.

Having to find new shelter, this could be increasingly life threatening if weather conditions are poor.

Young animals dying because their mother is relocated away from them unbeknownst to those relocating the mother.

I did a little research on the internet which also stated that relocated animals often experience elevated heart rates due to stress, and that their immune systems become compromised as a result of stress as well leading to being vulnerable to disease. So that said, while I appreciate that you wouldn't want to see a problem animal killed, relocation is not necessarily a good outcome for the animal either. A solution for those opposed to encroachment and the resulting problems encountered with wildlife? Don't encroach.


As to your second to last comment, and considering you still live rural? I hope you are never met with that situation.

[wildrosegirl]

Do you not have a wife to argue with and inflate your ego? Seems you're going through withdrawals.

Okay - have it your way. Go shoot everything that wanders into your yard and be the hero.

I'll do things my way.

Have a nice day.

[Mockingbird]

wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:

:lol: Do you not have a wife to argue with and inflate your ego? Seems you're going through withdrawals.

Okay - have it your way. Go shoot everything that wanders into your yard and be the hero.

I'll do things my way.

Have a nice day.

In other words you can't get the bat off your shoulder to hit this one back at me can you?

I don't have a wife I do however have a husband.

Oh and I am certainly not for shooting everything that wanders in my backyard, I choose not to encroach on wildlife so that is a non issue for me. When I stand for something I actually act on it, no posing here. Was I arguing? No I was simly making points in what I thought was mature debate, sorry that concept failed you.

[Brenda]

$1:

Young animals dying because their mother is relocated away from them unbeknownst to those relocating the mother.

No offence, but this is kind of a bullshit reason. When mom is dead, it will be away from them too, so they die.

[Mockingbird]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Young animals dying because their mother is relocated away from them unbeknownst to those relocating the mother.

No offence, but this is kind of a bullshit reason. When mom is dead, it will be away from them too, so they die.

No offence taken Brenda, just one of the points mentioned where relocation isn't always beneficial to the offspring of a relocated animal.

[wildrosegirl]

Mockingbird Mockingbird:

In other words you can't get the bat off your shoulder to hit this one back at me can you?

Simply can't be bothered. Don't flatter yourself too much.

[saturn_656]

Ladies, there is only one fair and equitable way to settle this dispute.

[Mockingbird]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Ladies, there is only one fair and equitable way to settle this dispute.

Lol good one!