[TattoodGirl]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Your birthday is Canada Day? Holy crap, lucky you, lol.

nahhh I meant a birthday present for Canadians that live in Ontario

Fuck my birthday is the same day as Eddie Van Halen, Wayne Gretzky, and Paul Newman...I rule out of anybody...including Canada

[kenmore]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

So what happens to the carbon tax when global warming fails to occur?

are you for real?

[Curtman]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I bet it will be an in-store credit.

The green shift was an on-paycheque-credit.

[OldChum]

(Odds are our trade with the US would increase, and trade with Asia would fall actually. If we levy tariffs on heavy carbon users, it'll be countries like China and India with their old, obsolete factories that will suffer, not the US, as their factories are far more energy efficient than ones in Asia.)



North America still has factories where

[ASLplease]

Curtman Curtman:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

I bet it will be an in-store credit.

The green shift was an on-paycheque-credit.

that makes sense. a taxable credit.

[EyeBrock]

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Actually, I give Harper credit more than other politicians for saying it like it is. He doesn't quite have the gumption to come out and say that he thinks global warming is a pile of crap, but in comparison to others he's actually been pretty good at being forthright.

I wish he did have the guts to come out and say it. It would make a nice clear split and we could move the debate to a more honest realm.

I agree. It's obvious he thinks it's a load of shit but if Obama is playing politics with the issue it makes sense for Harper to do the same.

Personally, I am sick and tired of waiting to see what the fuck the US says and does. I am pretty sure we can make our own decisions, unfortunately, those that can are the tax payers not the idiots that are running our governments. that includes all parties. I would appreciate a politician that isnt so PC, I want to hear their honest beliefs, regardless of what I believe in.

We all would TG but it just isn't going to happen. As long as politics attracts the second-hand car sales guys who were lawyers etc, we will get the same type of idiots going for MP jobs.

Most of these guys are just complete tossers who would fail in a real leadership or management role, that's why they are MPs. That includes Harper, Iggy, Layton, Duceppe and all the rest of the shower of shite that live on the Hill.

[bootlegga]

OldChum OldChum:

(Odds are our trade with the US would increase, and trade with Asia would fall actually. If we levy tariffs on heavy carbon users, it'll be countries like China and India with their old, obsolete factories that will suffer, not the US, as their factories are far more energy efficient than ones in Asia.)



North America still has factories where

Last time I checked, we still made cars, planes, and all sorts of other shit in Ontario, Quebec and the US NE. What we don't make is toys, t-shirts, jeans, and other small stuff.

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We all would TG but it just isn't going to happen. As long as politics attracts the second-hand car sales guys who were lawyers etc, we will get the same type of idiots going for MP jobs.

Most of these guys are just complete tossers who would fail in a real leadership or management role, that's why they are MPs. That includes Harper, Iggy, Layton, Duceppe and all the rest of the shower of shite that live on the Hill.

[andyt]

Lemmy Lemmy:

It's funny why people are so against a Carbon tax, but willingly hand over 50% of their income to the government as Income tax.

Federal [Canadian] tax rates for 2009 are:

* 15% on the first $40,726 of taxable income, +
* 22% on the next $40,726 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $40,726 and $81,452), +
* 26% on the next $44,812 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $81,452 and $126,264), +
* 29% of taxable income over $126,264.

British Columbia

*

The tax rates are unchanged but apply to new income brackets as follows:
Tax Brackets Rates
$0 $35,016 5.24%
$35,016 $70,033 7.98%
$70,033 $80,406 10.5%
$80,406 $97,636 12.29%
more than $97,636 14.7%


What country do you live in Lemmy? So if you're earning over 126k you'd pay a max of 44.7% on any amount over that 126k. You'd be paying 20.2% on the first 35k. I wish I had your problems.

[EyeBrock]

bootlegga bootlegga:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We all would TG but it just isn't going to happen. As long as politics attracts the second-hand car sales guys who were lawyers etc, we will get the same type of idiots going for MP jobs.

Most of these guys are just complete tossers who would fail in a real leadership or management role, that's why they are MPs. That includes Harper, Iggy, Layton, Duceppe and all the rest of the shower of shite that live on the Hill.

Thanks mate! I think we all agree on that eh?

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Last time I checked, we still made cars, planes, and all sorts of other shit in Ontario, Quebec and the US NE. What we don't make is toys, t-shirts, jeans, and other small stuff.

The cars and planes are subisdized. China is now the world's no two carmaker after Japan. Small stuff adds up. Nowadays pretty well anything you buy on a daily basis seems to be made in China, or have Chinese components. It's cheap crap that breaks down, and meanwhile our manufacturing jobs - the ticket to the middle class for many, have disappeared.

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Last time I checked, we still made cars, planes, and all sorts of other shit in Ontario, Quebec and the US NE. What we don't make is toys, t-shirts, jeans, and other small stuff.

The cars and planes are subisdized. China is now the world's no two carmaker after Japan. Small stuff adds up. Nowadays pretty well anything you buy on a daily basis seems to be made in China, or have Chinese components. It's cheap crap that breaks down, and meanwhile our manufacturing jobs - the ticket to the middle class for many, have disappeared.

Yes, and a carbon tax on imports would make products made in cqrbon-intensive countries like China less competitive, hence more manufacturing jobs would be created here.

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

bootlegga bootlegga:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We all would TG but it just isn't going to happen. As long as politics attracts the second-hand car sales guys who were lawyers etc, we will get the same type of idiots going for MP jobs.

Most of these guys are just complete tossers who would fail in a real leadership or management role, that's why they are MPs. That includes Harper, Iggy, Layton, Duceppe and all the rest of the shower of shite that live on the Hill.

Thanks mate! I think we all agree on that eh?

Without a doubt. Trudeau/Dion Liberals are far too left for me to vote for usually (although I did vote for Chretien twice out of sheer spite for Mulroney and the PCs).

I had hoped Iggy would be a Pearsonian/St.Laurent style Liberal, which would have let me vote Liberal again in the next federal election (whenever that is). Sadly, this doesn't look to be the case. Harper is too right and the rest of them, well, they're the rest of them.

I hope there's an independent again next election, if not, some fringe party will get my vote in protest (at least as it stands today).

[commanderkai]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Odds are our trade with the US would increase, and trade with Asia would fall actually. If we levy tariffs on heavy carbon users, it'll be countries like China and India with their old, obsolete factories that will suffer, not the US, as their factories are far more energy efficient than ones in Asia.

We have had this discussion before, and I've already stated, it'd be difficult, to say the least, to make it work properly.

The only way this is possible is that the cost of the product, due to tariffs, is so high, that it counteracts the cheaper labor and capital costs within China and India. If you do this, the costs of a variety of goods, mostly consumer goods that probably haven't been made in the US, Canada, or Europe for years, will spike dramatically. Everything from basic electronics, to toys, to household goods, all will face a price increase. All those things the average consumer has become reliant on China (and other southeast and south Asian) states to provide. This is called "massively unpopular", which leads to votes against tariff supporting politicians.

Let's say companies do move their factory lines back to the US and Canada, there's no real guarantee the price will decrease, at least, not in the short term, due to the various carbon tax systems we have in our respective countries, and as such, at the least they'd suffer from an extra administrative and bureaucratic burden. Think about it. The infrastructure and capital costs will be very high, due to the fact the factories they left are probably China-level technology. They'll need to train and hire new workers for their factories. They'll need to deal with union bullshit. They'll have extreme starting costs within Canada and the US just to even provide the consumer goods that we demand and desire. That equals high costs on their goods, probably higher than the cost of the imported product anyway.

This, of course, assumes China does absolutely nothing about this. They probably have a few five year plans ready.

[Zipperfish]

Buy local, just in case!