[kenmore]

OldChum OldChum:

And that is one thing that is good he is from the west as we have had to take what the east gave us for to long . And that is because of the stupidity of Quebec and the non stop pampering .

Cheese please to go with the whine.. the west who didn't want to share their wealth with the rest of the country... but Trudeau set them straight... now we have a PM who is ok with poluting the environment and doing nothing to make the tar sands less toxic... hmmmm pampering... give me a break.

[uwish]

i am sick and tired of all the hacks against the oil sands and Canada's CO2 emissions in general. Lets take a look shale we..

1. China BILLIONS of tons of CO2 per year
2. US hundreds of millions of tons of CO2 per year
...

25th Canada 25 million tons of CO2

so lets no play games for fuck sake.

[Bodah]

kenmore kenmore:

now we have a PM who is ok with poluting the environment and doing nothing to make the tar sands less toxic... hmmmm pampering... give me a break.

Oh yeah, global warming...

Go google "climategate" read it, form an opinion and get back to us.

[Lemmy]

uwish uwish:

i am sick and tired of all the hacks against the oil sands and Canada's CO2 emissions in general. Lets take a look shale we..

1. China BILLIONS of tons of CO2 per year
2. US hundreds of millions of tons of CO2 per year
...

25th Canada 25 million tons of CO2

so lets no play games for fuck sake.

Failing logic. So, because Iran kills a lot of dissidents, it'd be okay if we killed a just a few? Because Japan allows whaling, we'd be justified in doing so as long as it's a lesser number? While you're brushing up on your logic, you might also consider brushing up on your English.

[Bodah]

Lemmy Lemmy:

uwish uwish:

i am sick and tired of all the hacks against the oil sands and Canada's CO2 emissions in general. Lets take a look shale we..

1. China BILLIONS of tons of CO2 per year
2. US hundreds of millions of tons of CO2 per year
...

25th Canada 25 million tons of CO2

so lets no play games for fuck sake.

Failing logic. So, because Iran kills a lot of dissidents, it'd be okay if we killed a just a few? Because Japan allows whaling, we'd be justified in doing so as long as it's a lesser number? While you're brushing up on your logic, you might also consider brushing up on your English.

Considering we are only responisble for 2% of global emissions, it is not bad logic at all . We are not the major culprits here.

Until the science is settled only then can we consider acting upon it. But so far it looks like another environmental cash shake down that rears its ugly head every decade or so.

[CanadianJeff]

uwish uwish:

i am sick and tired of all the hacks against the oil sands and Canada's CO2 emissions in general. Lets take a look shale we..

1. China BILLIONS of tons of CO2 per year
2. US hundreds of millions of tons of CO2 per year
...

25th Canada 25 million tons of CO2

so lets no play games for fuck sake.

1. When you compare the total precentage of world population to the precentage of chinas emitions on a global scale they put out about as much as they have people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _emissions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... population

Considering how much crap we buy is "made in China" I'd say China may not be the problem everyone paints it as.

2. The kicker though is that the Canada argument may have some validity in comparison.

We have about 0.5% of the world living in Canada yet we put out 1.9% of the world's total C02 emissions. That's over 4 times the amount we should have per person compared the world's average. The us is about on the same scale as we are.

To say that the US and Canada are huge emitters per Capita is a valid argument.

[Lemmy]

Bodah Bodah:

Considering we are only responisble for 2% of global emissions, it is not bad logic at all . We are not the major culprits here.

Until the science is settled only then can we consider acting upon it. But so far it looks like another environmental cash shake down that rears its ugly head every decade or so.

Because we're not "major culprits" isn't justification. If you say CO2 emissions aren't a problem and aren't causing environmental damage, therefore we shouldn't change our ways, I say "fine, I can accept that point of view". But to say we shouldn't change our ways just because other nations aren't or because other nations are doing worse than us is a colossal fail.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

kenmore kenmore:

OldChum OldChum:

And that is one thing that is good he is from the west as we have had to take what the east gave us for to long . And that is because of the stupidity of Quebec and the non stop pampering .

Cheese please to go with the whine.. the west who didn't want to share their wealth with the rest of the country... but Trudeau set them straight... now we have a PM who is ok with poluting the environment and doing nothing to make the tar sands less toxic... hmmmm pampering... give me a break.

Hmmm from the way you phrased it, it sounds like Trudeau was also ok with polluting the environment. So over the same environment, Harper is the devil and Trudeau was our saviour? It's not like we JUST discovered how environmentally toxic any oil producing venture can be.
Why didn't the great and powerful Trudeau start worrying about it when we already knew the environemntal issues involved in oil production?
Hey, I have a GREAT idea..since Quebec is sooooo concerned about the pollution from the tar sands, how about they forgo their oil transfer payments so they can be used to R&D ways to make the job cleaner.
And yet, your ridiculous attitude is..pay up. So their polluting can't bother you that much.

[Bouboumaster]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Hmmm from the way you phrased it, it sounds like Trudeau was also ok with polluting the environment. So over the same environment, Harper is the devil and Trudeau was our saviour? It's not like we JUST discovered how environmentally toxic any oil producing venture can be.
Why didn't the great and powerful Trudeau start worrying about it when we already knew the environemntal issues involved in oil production?

Because environment wasn't a concern, years ago.

Now, it's a international concern, and, because of Harper, look at that:

http://larryhubich.blogspot.com/2007/12 ... ld-on.html

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2009/1 ... award.html

http://www.desmogblog.com/poznan-canada ... st-country


Hey! Fuckin' Youppy-Di-Doo!


But seriously, Canada shouldn't EVER been mentionned in the same sentance as the word "worst". Ever.

Harper is an embarrassment that we should get ride of in the next election. At least, it's what I wish.

[sandorski]

We can do better with our Per Capita CO2 emissions. Due to that, we should do better. It doesn't matter whether we are a major culprit or not.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Hmmm from the way you phrased it, it sounds like Trudeau was also ok with polluting the environment. So over the same environment, Harper is the devil and Trudeau was our saviour? It's not like we JUST discovered how environmentally toxic any oil producing venture can be.
Why didn't the great and powerful Trudeau start worrying about it when we already knew the environemntal issues involved in oil production?

Because environment wasn't a concern, years ago

.
And the only reason it is now is because a few well placed people think they have found a way to make the industrialzed world pay for their "transgressions".

I notice you completely ignored that the province of Quebec still takes its share of the wealth from the Alberta oil industry though.
Oh hey, quick question, do you drive an electric car?