[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

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I'm, just pointing out you are cheering on a guy who got elected to stop the so called stealing from Alberta and in fact has spent oodles in QC trying to buy votes.

Yawwwn. Dude you don't even believe yourself anymore and it comes through on your posts. We've long accepted the fact that we're paying into transfer payments and not getting anything out. You say he's spending to buy votes but we know better. We also know that if he wasn't spending you'd accuse him of, well, not spending.

The Liberals are flailing in 'say anything' mode lately.

You keep fooling yourself sunshine. I don't think you believe half of what you post seeing as you f*ucked up big time in the tax thread where I pasted my point to your forehead in that one.

You keep stumbling about trying to come up with new ways why its OK for the Cons to do what they were elected to eliminate and now you laugh at Harper taking oodles more money from your beloved province to buy votes, something you western seperats claimed you hated the Libs for (despite them actually lowering it).

Hey if you don't care Harpers using your money to buy votes in QC why should I?

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Using their official opposition website for party fundraising? Outrageous.
Oh the hypocrisy.

Yeah, that's nothing like giving out giant cheques with the Conservative party logo on them, or funnelling twice as much 'stimulus' funds into Conswervative ridings as they do into NDP or Liberal funds.

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"This simply strengthens our argument. We use political money to pay for a political website, and they're using public money to pay for partisan activity. The two things are totally different," said Rae.

A spokesman for Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said 14 of the 18 websites in question are paid for by the MP's riding association or the party. The other four MPs have removed the fundraising links.

[Akhenaten]

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I don't think you believe half of what you post seeing as you f*ucked up big time in the tax thread where I pasted my point to your forehead in that one.

Ewww, lookit the tough guy! Losing now so he goes searching for former delusions of glory.

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You keep stumbling about trying to come up with new ways why its OK for the Cons to do what they were elected to eliminate and now you laugh at Harper taking oodles more money from your beloved province to buy votes, something you western seperats claimed you hated the Libs for (despite them actually lowering it).

No, you keep coming up with baloney to try and convince us the CPC is doing anywhere near as bad a job as the previous Liberals -- and you suck at it. Sorry but it's true.

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Hey if you don't care Harpers using your money to buy votes in QC why should I?

YAWWWN. He's not buying votes. That's just your little game. If he wasn't spending you and the Liberal party would be complaining he wasn't spending, now that he is spending you're trying to complain about him spending. Don't you get it? People are smart enough to know that it's MUCH easier to sit like a sulky cheerleader on the sidelines and make picky complaints about the way things are done and MUCH harder to be the guy actually doing the work. The Liberal party is coming accross like whiners and the CPC is coming accross like Leaders and the polls reflect that. That some insignificant 'say-anything' partisan can sit on a forum all day pretending otherwise doesn't mean squat.
The CPC is comign across like adults and the Liberals are coming across like the whinely little sister whos' completely useless and everyone ignores.

[bootlegga]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

No we're saying it's worse. We pay for the site, they use it to raise funds. It's not the Liberal website Curtman, it belongs to all of us -- remember the talking points?

Wrong...

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"This simply strengthens our argument. We use political money to pay for a political website, and they're using public money to pay for partisan activity. The two things are totally different," said Rae.

A spokesman for Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said 14 of the 18 websites in question are paid for by the MP's riding association or the party. The other four MPs have removed the fundraising links.

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

A CPC logo on government cheques is wrong and crass but little different than crediting the construction of the entire transcanada highway to the Liberal funds. Or using the public offical opposition website to raise funds for their party alone.

Jesus, going back in time to the Transcanada scandal? For shits and giggles, let's remember the Conservatives who started political scandals way back in the day with the CPR scandal.

[Akhenaten]

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Jesus, going back in time to the Transcanada scandal? For shits and giggles, let's remember the Conservatives who started political scandals way back in the day with the CPR scandal.

Okay fair enogh. Is there a reason you're concentrating on that instead of the stuff I posted about Chretien and what he said?

here...I'll repost it:

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OTTAWA; QUEBEC CITY - Jean Chretien, the Prime Minister, yesterday said his government had nothing to apologize for in seeking to reap maximum partisan political benefit from disbursing $1-billion worth of federal job grants across Canada each year.

He had always made sure since taking power in October, 1993, that voters were left in no doubt that it was his Liberals who were distributing such grants, he said.

"Listen," he added, "we are the government ... I don't see why we can't try to get credit for what we do. I hope we do so. There is nothing to be ashamed in that."

link

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Ewww, lookit the tough guy! Losing now so he goes searching for former delusions of glory.

Nope. Just reminding you of the last time you tried this crap. You failed then and you are failing now trying to claim I don't believe in what I post.

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

No, you keep coming up with baloney to try and convince us the CPC is doing anywhere near as bad a job and the previous Liberals -- and you suck at it.

Only if you want to believe that running consecutive surpluses is somehow worse then running consecutive massive deficits.

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

YAWWWN. He's not buying votes. That's just your little game. If he wasn't spending you and the Liberal party would be complaining he wasn't spending, now that he is spending you're trying to complain about him spending. Don't you get it? People are smart enough to know that it's MUCH easier to sit like a sulky cheerleader on the sidelines and make picky complaints about the way things are done and MUCH harder to be the guy actually doing the work. The Liberal party is coming accross like whiners and the CPC is coming accross like Leaders and the polls reflect that. That some insignificant worm can sit on a forum all day pretending otherwise doesn't mean squat.

That's funny because you guys were crying left and right that it was vote buying when the Libs did it. You can toss out all the insults you want but the fact is that Chretien ran majorities (of which he got the votes and not just the polling) so by your own yard stick He ran a fabulous government. Well we can agree that Chretien DID in fact run a great government.

[Akhenaten]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Wrong

No, debatable:

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‘when performing parliamentary duties and functions, a member shall not act in any way to further his or her private interests’.”

and this tacit admission of guilt:

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Under House rules, MPs cannot use materials printed using the House of Commons budget to solicit donations for "monetary contributions for any political party." However, the rules make no reference to MP websites, she noted.


"Based on our interpretation, we believed that we were following the rules," said Findlay, adding that she has removed any fundraising links until the matter is clarified.

[Akhenaten]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Only if you want to believe that running consecutive surpluses is somehow worse then running consecutive massive deficits.

There you go again, completely ignoring realty. You know as well as I do that we are in the middle of a world wide recessiona nd that the Liberals DEMANDED that we spend into deficit or they'd overthrow the government.

Just like I said: complain if we don't spend; complain if we do. You're just too easy today Derby and considering your knack to get frustratied, throwing a tempertantrum and running to mommy by making up some trumped up complaint to the mods that only gets us both banned I'm sure you wont mind if I just ignore you and carry on with an adult like Bootlegga? OK? Thanks! have a good weekend!

[bootlegga]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

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Jesus, going back in time to the Transcanada scandal? For shits and giggles, let's remember the Conservatives who started political scandals way back in the day with the CPR scandal.

Okay fair enogh. Is there a reason you're concentrating on that instead of the stuff I posted about Chretien and what he said?

here...I'll repost it:

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OTTAWA; QUEBEC CITY - Jean Chretien, the Prime Minister, yesterday said his government had nothing to apologize for in seeking to reap maximum partisan political benefit from disbursing $1-billion worth of federal job grants across Canada each year.

He had always made sure since taking power in October, 1993, that voters were left in no doubt that it was his Liberals who were distributing such grants, he said.

"Listen," he added, "we are the government ... I don't see why we can't try to get credit for what we do. I hope we do so. There is nothing to be ashamed in that."

link

Say what you want about Chretien (at least as much of a prick as Harper), but he never put Liberal logos on giant cheques (to my knowledge anyways). Even he accepted that there were limits to how far you can go in taking credit. Getting a photo of a smiling politician making an announcement/putting on a press conference is one thing, handing giant cheques with the party logo is another.

The riding candidate has every right to get credit for getting pork for their riding, which is something both parties have been ‘guilty’ of since Confederation. I mean, I think everyone knows why Edmonton got a massive army base in 1994. It wasn’t because it was the best place for it (although there was plenty of room at CFB Namao), but also because Edmonton voted in 4 Liberals. Same goes with a lot of federal government spending.

What isn’t kosher is putting the party’s logo on a giant cheque (and having it signed by a Conservative on top of that). That is pushing the envelope way too far. If the Conservatives want do that fine, just make sure that every cent on those giant cheques come from the Conservative party coffers and not the federal government. That of course open other ethical/legal issues and is probably illegal (vote buying), but at least it would have been honest.

[Akhenaten]

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Say what you want about Chretien (at least as much of a prick as Harper), but he never put Liberal logos on giant cheques (to my knowledge anyways).

Please. C'mon bootlegga, I know you can be reasonable. Read the link. Yes he didn't specifically put party logos on cheques but he did basically the same thing with the grants insomuch as making it appear it was the Liberal government handing out the money and not the Canadian government.

I can admit the cheque logo thing was a crass and stupid partisan ploy -- why can't you admit that it's far from being without precident already established by the former Liberal party?

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Only if you want to believe that running consecutive surpluses is somehow worse then running consecutive massive deficits.

There you go again, completely ignoring realty. You know as well as I do that we are in the middle of a world wide recessiona nd that the Liberals DEMANDED that we spend into deficit or they'd overthrow the government.

Just like I said: complain if we don't spend; complain if we do. You're just too easy today Derby and considering your knack to get frustratied, throwing a tempertantrum and run to mommy by making up some truped up complaint to the mods that only gets us both banned I'm sure you wont mind if I just ignore you and carry on with an adult like Bootlegga? OK? Thanks! have a good weekend!

YAWN. There you go again blatantly lying.

HARPER put forth the budget. He penned it. He was responsible for it. If he didn't want the responsibility then he was free to step down and let the people you claim are responsible take responsibility.

The coalition signed on when the deficit was some 30 billion less then it is now and unlike Harper they had no ability to levy tax changes that would have alleviated it. They had no ability to say where that money went.

You can throw a fit all you want trying to blame every thing on the Cons but if Harper isn't responsible then those cheques should have had Lib/NDP logos on them shouldn't they?

Face it. You are just another stunned Con trying desperately (and failing) to hide the fact that your so called fiscal minded hero Harper is running the worst deficit ever.

Unlucky sunshine.

[ridenrain]

Are the Liberal still asking for leadership campaign donations too? That was another loophole they were using to suck money out of rubes.

[Akhenaten]

DerbyX DerbyX:

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Sorry Derby. This happens to my computer sometimes. Some comments just come out like this. I don't know...maybe it's the browsers fault. As i said though it's probably better for me to just ignore your rantings before you get too worked up and go running to mommy.

Have a good weekend!

[DerbyX]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

Sorry Derby. This happens to my computer sometimes. Some comments just come out like this. I don't know...maybe it's the browsers fault. As i said though it's probably better for me to just ignore your rantings before you get too worked up and go running to mommy.

Have a good weekend!

Translation: You beaten me again Derby because I can't think of anything intelligent to say.

That's OK. We've come to expect that from you.

[Akhenaten]

DerbyX DerbyX:

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Nope. It's just easier and better to let the baby have it's bottle instead of letting them start a fight they cant finish without mommy.