[EyeBrock]

Scape Scape:

If female astronauts in space go for months at a time in orbit they can do the same on a sub.

This crap that women can't do it because it causes 'problems' is horseshit. How do we expect to be better then the burka crowd again? Space travel will require women and that will be decades to travel alone in a tin can. If we are to make anything of ourselves as a species this overly sensitive decadence that is nothing more then veiled sexism and a throwbacks to an era gone by must be ditched.

I'm not saying not to allow chicks on boats scape, but having spent a whole day on an O-Boat, I'm aware that there are major issues that you don’t appear to consider.

Space travel is hardly comparable. The crews in space vehicles are usually very well educated scientists, Phd’s etc. they are also on camera 24/7 in every part of their vehicles. Pretty hard to get a shag when Mission Control watch everything.

Naval crews, on the other hand, (besides the officers) probably just have high school and many will have joined from areas that lacked job opportunities. Political correctness shouldn’t dictate the crew mix of a weapon of war. Space in submarines is always at a premium. It is a prime consideration that extra washroom and accommodation facilities would need to be built. Maybe an all-female crew is in option?

Women have done very well in the air forces around the world. Not so well in the infantry and other frontline army roles.
Women have been reasonably successful at integrating into surface vessels where there has been the ability to expand facilities to cope with a mixed crew.

I’m not writing off women in subs, I just think your answers are simplistic and emotive and you haven’t considered a lot of factors that go into naval and submarine life. As shep said, Submariners stink.

[raydan]

I've never served (my dad was in the Navy) but I did visit a Canadian submarine in Halifax when I was young.
This was close to 40 years ago but if my memory serves me right (and Google) it was the HMCS Ojibwa.
Space is a premium in these things and I kinda wonder how many women would even want to be deployed in one, especially with the high men-to-women ratio that would be expected.

You had to decide if you wanted to sleep on your back or stomach before getting into your bunk, because you sure didn't have the room to turn around once you were in. As for getting in a shag, I guess you would have to be inventive and very flexible.

[Scape]

My question to you is beyond not having cameras on every possible angle on a sub and only 1 washroom what is your real hang up here?

As for women in space you are aware of the programs they have here where people live in isolation for months at a time right?

In the early years of the "space race" (1957-1975) two men sought to test a scientifically simple yet culturally complicated theory: that women might be innately better suited for space travel than men.

That was 1957 EB. Seems they were able to handle that and pass the test. So are you saying that the old boys of the navy are rapist thugs? Sounds like we don't need those types in the service anyway don't you think?

Btw, there are doors on the head and they can close. You don't need another head just because your superstitious.

[EyeBrock]

I'm saying the social implications of this experiment might be worth a look but having seen the impact that women have had in a 98% male military environment overseas and in a combat zone or three, I have my doubts on a successful outcome.

The other thing to consider, is there a great movement of women within the various navies with subs to become submariners?

Are the advocates of women submariners able to give an educated view on this or are we going to compare space travel and subs?

Can we really look at 150-250 people in a closely confined combat environment as parallel to a 7 person Shuttle mission where they all have Phd’s and are on camera 24/7?

I think not.

[Brenda]

How many women are there out there anyway that want to work on a sub? Is there any data about that?

[Lemmy]

Brenda Brenda:

How many women are there out there anyway that want to work on a sub? Is there any data about that?

I sense the plot-line for a franchise of adult films; what shall the title be? The Hunt For Red Beaver, Gung 'Ho', Crimson Heine, 20,000 Sluts Under the Sea, Grey Lady Goes Down, Captain Nemo and the Underwear City, Muff Dive at Dawn, Das Bootie?)...I may be reaching an all-time low. My apologies in advance.

[Scape]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm saying the social implications of this experiment might be worth a look but having seen the impact that women have had in a 98% male military environment overseas and in a combat zone or three, I have my doubts on a successful outcome.

No one said it was going to be easy but that doesn't mean the objective is not obtainable or worthy of the effort. The scrapes along the way will be lessons but not to try at all because we fear is folly.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The other thing to consider, is there a great movement of women within the various navies with subs to become submariners?

Oh I suppose it's not the in thing but is that really a valid point? If you want to serve your country do you really think this is an appropriate prime requisite to exclude someone based on gender?

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Are the advocates of women submariners able to give an educated view on this or are we going to compare space travel and subs?

Your the one making the arguments against based on cramped quarters, unruly co-workers and only 1 head. Expand your reasons and attempt to make them valid so they can be so easily countered with a simple example.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Can we really look at 150-250 people in a closely confined combat environment as parallel to a 7 person Shuttle mission where they all have Phd’s and are on camera 24/7?

I think not.

Look up cosmonauts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentina_Tereshkova

Take a look at their records and then say that they can't hack duty. These are elite pilots that have decades of flight time and have to train very closely with their counterparts in the program both on ground and onboard. The stereotype just doesn't stack up. If a woman wants to serve who are we to say they can't?

[Regina]

It's a tube and it's loaded with seamen..........nuff said.

[JustKate]

Lemmy Lemmy:

If wives need to worry about their husbands on a sub then they need to worry about them anywhere.

Exactly!

[EyeBrock]

Regina Regina:

It's a tube and it's loaded with seamen..........nuff said.

I think that is the quote of the thread!

[Regina]