[DerbyX]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Ah "Iffy". A man you respect and admire. The right man with the right polices. Shame he didn't run for the cons eh? Then you'd at least call him Mr Iffy.

Who respects Ignatieff?

Liberals alike don't respect him. His party is revolting, MP's are talking about leaving the party, you have MP's trashing him in press conferences and most importantly, Canadians don't respect him.

By the silence on the forum and the complete lack of defense any of you have offered him during this latest tumble, it appears you don't respect him either.

The man with the right policies? What policy?

Ideas or views written in books 15 years ago don't account for actual policy.

Who respects Harper? Not anybody with intelligence obviously.

You Cons who were so indignant over the Libs for, well just about everything have debased yourselves for a man that has apparently betrayed everything you stand for and that's assuming you cons have any principles left.

What hasn't Harper betrayed?

Floor-crossing?
Accountability?
Senate appointments?
QC pandering?
Military promises?
Income trusts?
"conservative spending"?
Deficits?

The list goes on and on. While you and the rest of the con hacks were screaming obscenities when Iggy claimed he could erase Harpers deficit without tax increases , Harper was quietly making it worse. Its now over 55 billion and when he announces that he will eliminate the deficit (2 years later then he said a month ago) without tax increases the silence from you cons was so loud it punctured ears.

17 pages of you guys bitching about Iggy claiming he could do it yet not a single decent post of you guys was read about Harper.

In fact none of you have ever held Harper accountable for a damn thing. Years later we still hear you guys bitching about the Liberals and bemoaning how everything would be better if only we had a true con majority in charge.

Sure. A con majority would only mean 100 billion in debt per year instead of 55 billion. That's much better.

The one good thing that Harpers tenure brought is that from now on no con anywhere in Canada will be able to complain about the Libs and NDP ever again. Any deficit they run must be supported. Any appointment they make must be supported. Any vote pandering the do must be supported.

If Harper can do it with the full support of the con core then you guys can't bitch when the other parties do it.

[EyeBrock]

"Harpers deficit"?

Oh do try and remember further than last December:

The CBC on the 9th Dec 2008:

"If the opposition parties vote against the budget, as they threatened to do with the fiscal update, the country could find itself facing another general election or see the Conservatives replaced by a Liberal-NDP coalition government.

Opposition parties have lambasted the Tories for failing to include a stimulus package for the slumping economy in the fiscal update, accusing the Conservatives of using tumultuous times to try to push through ideologically driven measures they said attacked women and public servants."

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/ ... rview.html

Or the Toronto Star, 6th Feb 2009,

"Stimulus not enough: Liberals"

http://www.thestar.com/article/583372

Or the CBC from 28th Jan 2009:

"Ignatieff puts Tories 'on probation' with budget demand
Conservatives prepared to accept Liberal amendment"

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/01/ ... ision.html


Some memory retention issues derby? Or do just remember the things that you want to?

It's all there, google.

[Lemmy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

"Harpers deficit"?

Some memory retention issues derby? Or do just remember the things that you want to?

It's all there, google.

We're not going down that road again, are we EyeBrock? "The Devil made me do it" defense? FAIL! The Liberals did their job as opposition. The Conservatives and the Conservatives alone are to blame for the stimulus and its deficit. If Harper had any honour, he'd have let parliament fall rather than climbing in bed with socialists and seperatists to save his sorry ass.

[EyeBrock]

Come on Lemmy. It was all over the media at the time. The Libs and Bloc were slagging Harper off for not spending ENOUGH!

All that weed making ya forget?

I'll call the Tories on things when they fuck-up (and they do) but this deficit is a direct result of the stimulus and everybody who agreed with the budget voted on it. The Libs voted for it and forced Harper to go with their amendments.

Remember the Coalition? It isn't that long ago.

I'll have Harper's fuck-ups. I'm not blindly partisan. I'll vote for these guys until something better comes along, Lib or Tory. But blaming the deficit on Harper is pretty groundless and the voters can see past that.

The Libs are looking pretty directionless at the moment and it's just a matter of 'when' not 'if' Iggy goes.

Pity, he looked promising too.

[Lemmy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Come on Lemmy. It was all over the media at the time. The Libs and Bloc were slagging Harper off for not spending ENOUGH!

Yeah, and rather than keeping his honour, Harper played into their hands.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'll call the Tories on things when they fuck-up (and they do) but this deficit is a direct result of the stimulus and everybody who agreed with the budget voted on it. The Libs voted for it and forced Harper to go with their amendments.

This deficit is a direct result of Harper abandoning his principles to keep his job. If he'd had kept his integrity and called the coalition bluff, he'd have my support now.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Remember the Coalition? It isn't that long ago.

I'll have Harper's fuck-ups. I'm not blindly partisan. I'll vote for these guys until something better comes along, Lib or Tory. But blaming the deficit on Harper is pretty groundless and the voters can see past that.

Harper and Harper alone is PM. He can blame Iggy or the coalition or the ghost of Tommy Douglas, but it's just passing blame. He lost my support the day he put his job ahead of his principles. It's a betrayal that's cost him my vote ever again. Those of us on the right of the Conservative party won't forget this betrayal.

[EyeBrock]

Honour?

In politics?

Oh you big old idealist Lemmy! You'll be telling world peace is achievable next! Awwww, bless ya!

They are all a bunch of power hungry back-stabbing liars.

Harper? He just the least shit of a shite bunch

[Lemmy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Honour?

In politics?

Oh you big old idealist Lemmy! You'll be telling world peace is achievable next! Awwww, bless ya!

They are all a bunch of power hungry back-stabbing liars.

Harper? He just the least shit of a shite bunch

I'll buy most of that, except Harper's still the most shite of a shite bunch for bankrupting my children. Iggy's a twat, but he hasn't cost me any money yet.

[gonavy47]

Lemmy Lemmy:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Honour?

In politics?

Oh you big old idealist Lemmy! You'll be telling world peace is achievable next! Awwww, bless ya!

They are all a bunch of power hungry back-stabbing liars.

Harper? He just the least shit of a shite bunch

I'll buy most of that, except Harper's still the most shite of a shite bunch for bankrupting my children. Iggy's a twat, but he hasn't cost me any money yet.

The libs would bankrupt your grandchildren by just lining the pockets of their consultants!

[leewgrant]

Harper has to take responsibility for the deficit - after all, it was his budget. But he was responding to a recession brought on by forces outside his control and the deficit was proportionally a lot lower than other countries were forced to do.

Any other party in power would have done the same - maybe more so.

But this is Canada where the opposition never criticizes the government for too much spending.

[Lemmy]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

The libs would bankrupt your grandchildren by just lining the pockets of their consultants!

Then we better not vote them in. But that doesn't say anything about what the Cons have already done.

[gonavy47]

But at least some of the money is coming through. The provincial libs under McGuinty, thought it was just fine for three civil servants to set up their own company and charge the gov't for consulting! Unbelieveable! After all, it's not their money...IT'S OURS!

[Lemmy]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

But at least some of the money is coming through. The provincial libs under McGuinty, thought it was just fine for three civil servants to set up their own company and charge the gov't for consulting! Unbelieveable! After all, it's not their money...IT'S OURS!

We were talking Federal spending here. Clearly what's going on in Ontario is a disaster, but Cousin Dalt is handling that situation exactly as we should hope a leader would react. Heads are rolling and errors are being corrected. What would you have McGuinty do? Resign? Maybe, but that doesn't fix the problem.

[EyeBrock]

Iggy on Sept 1st 2009.


"After four years of drift, four years of denial, four years of division and discord - Mr. Harper, your time is up," Mr. Ignatieff declared in an address to his national caucus at a retreat to prepare MPs and senators for the resumption of Parliament in two weeks.


Iggy on Oct 9th 2009

“What I said was we lost confidence in the government. I didn’t say we’re going to move more motions of non confidence. We did that, we stood up, we took a position of principle,” Ignatieff said.

Er, what do we believe? He's looking like Brave Sir Robin in Python's "Holy Grail".

Just visiting.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

"Harpers deficit"?

Oh do try and remember further than last December:

The CBC on the 9th Dec 2008:

"If the opposition parties vote against the budget, as they threatened to do with the fiscal update, the country could find itself facing another general election or see the Conservatives replaced by a Liberal-NDP coalition government.

Opposition parties have lambasted the Tories for failing to include a stimulus package for the slumping economy in the fiscal update, accusing the Conservatives of using tumultuous times to try to push through ideologically driven measures they said attacked women and public servants."

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/12/ ... rview.html

Or the Toronto Star, 6th Feb 2009,

"Stimulus not enough: Liberals"

http://www.thestar.com/article/583372

Or the CBC from 28th Jan 2009:

"Ignatieff puts Tories 'on probation' with budget demand
Conservatives prepared to accept Liberal amendment"

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/01/ ... ision.html


Some memory retention issues derby? Or do just remember the things that you want to?

It's all there, google.

Are you cons having problems with responsibility again? Harper is the man who penned the budget. Neither the Liberals nor the NDP had the ability to implement their plans which included tax measures to minimize the deficit. I thought you weren't partisan eyebrock?

Now you might be tempted to claim that tax increases where the last thing we needed but that's a red herring because it doesn't alter the fact that a tax increase (and for the record Harper has already done that in the form of increased payroll tax) would have lowered the deficit by billions. In addition, the opposition parties were satisfied when the budget was over 30 billion less then it is now.

Now Harper could have stood to his sworn statement about running deficits. He could have made a grand statement about not using tax payer money to bail out private companies but he didn't. He didn't stand his ground over the budget. He choose this course of action and thus its his responsibility. BTW, since you are so quick to dismiss responsibility for the deficit you must equally be ready to treat the kudos that way right? Its not Harpers credit that saw us through this recession was it? It was the coalition that was responsible since they "forced" him to do it right? If we hadn't have had the coalition threat then you wouldn't have gotten your home reno tax credit.

The bottom line is the budget is entirely Harpers responsibility since done of the other parties were capable of doing anything except demanding action. Funny that when the Libs were in charge they were responsible for everything even though they were doing things the opposition parties were demanding also.

[EyeBrock]

Oh come on derby, change the CD. Your mans tanking.