[EyeBrock]

It is double standards though derby.

A white guy can get hammered in a Kaula Lumpar bar but some chick with a bag on her head gets whipped for having a beer in the same bar?

The religion of peace strikes again.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

A dozen hail Allahs and some cookies for the next Mosque bake sale.
Islam seriously needs to get into the real world.
Religions that keep people by killing them if they leave really don't deserve members.

Still a dodge. Why can't they ban alcohol like you ban drugs?

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

It is double standards though derby.

A white guy can get hammered in a Kaula Lumpar bar but some chick with a bag on her head gets whipped for having a beer in the same bar?

The religion of peace strikes again.

Would you rather they forced everybody to live by a single set of laws that just happen to be closely based on sharia?

I think they do this because they believe that muslims should adhere to muslim law and that others should adhere to laws that suit them.

If you could see past anti-muslim feelings you might actually think its rather fair of them in trying to accommodate non-muslims in a society that is increasingly more diverse.

A few additional points. What if they simply banned alcohol completely citing all the problems we have surrounding it (DUI, crimes, violence)? Would that be OK?

How do you feel about Jewish rabbinical courts in the US?

In Israel?

[EyeBrock]

I'm the same with any religion mate. I think it's all bollocks and whipping people for having a beer is just asinine.

I don't have anti-Muslim feelings, I just think that a good chunk of it's adherents hate our culture and way of life with a vengeance. That makes me uneasy. I just wish they'd stop hating us, or if they won't stop hating us, don't come to our countries.
Stay in your medieval paradise and let me carry on drinking, fornicating and drawing the odd cartoon.

As I've said before, how many times do they have to tell us they hate us before we believe them?

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm the same with any religion mate. I think it's all bollocks and whipping people for having a beer is just asinine.

I don't have anti-Muslim feelings, I just think that a good chunk of it's adherents hate our culture and way of life with a vengeance. That makes me uneasy. I just wish they'd stop hating us, or if they won't stop hating us, don't come to our countries.
Stay in your medieval paradise at let me carry on drinking and drawing the odd cartoon.

As I've said before, how many times do they have to tell us they hate us before we believe them?

I'll assume by that you mean you disagree with rabbinical courts. I also feel that one law for one country (and in the darkness bind them). I however feel that there might be a place in that law to for reasonable accommodations. In the US at least it seems that rabbinical courts work much like judge judy in that they are a form of binding arbitration where the participants agree before hand to adhere to the ruling. That doesn't mean religious people can up and ignore non-religious laws. Regardless thats for our society to decide.

Whipping people for having a beer is assinine. Of course I also feel that jailing people for drug use is just as bad if not worse. Believe me when I tell you that if all a drug user faced was a public whomping with no jail time lingering legal restrictions they'd be lining up joint in hand. I'll also point out that they think it is far fairer and just then sticking her in a jail cell and treating her like a criminal.

In this case it isn't them telling us they hate us or them dictating to us how to live is it? Its a sovereign country exercising its legal right to punish people who run afoul of their laws. They aren't railing about us, its us who are railing against them.

In addition, this case getting postponed (and likely commuted) is just another example of how public opinion from abroad can help. It sure beats threatening them with violence if they don't comply to living as we dictate.

As a final thought, let me ask you this. Many here are exercising their voice condemning another countries "barbaric practices" and defending their right to do so. How many of these people tell the Europeans condemning Canada over the seal hunt to F-off and mind their own business?

But its different, because its people and not animals right? Of course Michael Vick became one of the most hated man in America and he didn't hurt anybody.

Like it or not we don't all agree.

[EyeBrock]

No and agree about drug prohibition as you well know.

This whole case just says volumes about Malaysia and Islam.
That's my point. They are still stuck in the 7th century and they still rule their country on religious lines. Third world or what? Sure, it doesn’t affect me but it does impact on my views of that country and Islam. This is standard stuff in the ‘religion of peace’.

They are not whipping white guys for having a beer, just the odd chick with a thirst.
It's just wrong on every level and indefensible. I don't know why you are bothering to argue in favour of this.

[DerbyX]

The white guys aren't muslims and under their system of laws are exempt. If they were they'd be subject to the same punishment and once again I'm only in favour of their right to decide for themselves.

Caning is a lot less violent and defensible then say invading a foreign country but then thats a whole new bag of worms. We do shit they think is awful. We have things happen in our society that they blame on our lack of religious guidance. Hell we have people here who say that. I'm sure they look at the violence and problems that drugs and alcohol cause here and think that a harsh penal system is preferable to that.

Their choice.

[EyeBrock]

So caning chicks for drinking a beer is ok with you?

[DerbyX]

No it isn't. I think its just as wrong as jailing people for taking drugs or even selling drugs. I'm saying that they are entitled to determine what kind of society they want for themselves just as the legalize people here are doing the same for our society.

Do you think they don't have the right to govern their own society?

[Freakinoldguy]

This isn't about what's barbaric and what's not. It's all about the evolution of a society.

Our ancestors weren't all that advanced during the inquisition and the witch hunts but somehow we managed to overcome our primeval tendencies enough that we stopped putting people in bags and throwning them in the river to find out if they were heretics.

Now we use the good cop bad cop routine which is much more efficient, environmentally friendly and alot less costly. Bags are expensive.

So looking at it from a strictly evolutionary point of view, it's understandable that the Muslim religion, which for all intents and purposes is still part of the the dark ages, wouldn't see anything out of the ordinary in caning women as a normal form of punishment for misdomeaners.

So with that in mind, and with the rate of evolution shown by middle eastern countries, by the year 3000 they should have done away with caning for minor offenses and replaced it with the much more humane, good cop, bad cop, stoning to death routine.

[EyeBrock]

Absolutely well summed up fish-head.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DerbyX DerbyX:

The white guys aren't muslims and under their system of laws are exempt. If they were they'd be subject to the same punishment and once again I'm only in favour of their right to decide for themselves.

But herein lies the problem Derby. They don't have the choice. IF yer a muslim, try renouncing your islamic faith in one of those countries and watch how fast you disappear. Even supposedly tolerant and Western friendly muslim countries are like that. Saudi Arabia is a great example. If you went there to try and convert a muslim away from islam, you will be in for a FUCK of a lot of trouble.

Their right to decide anything for themselves has been taken away by harsh enforcement of their religious laws. Especially the women.

[DerbyX]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

DerbyX DerbyX:

The white guys aren't muslims and under their system of laws are exempt. If they were they'd be subject to the same punishment and once again I'm only in favour of their right to decide for themselves.

But herein lies the problem Derby. They don't have the choice. IF yer a muslim, try renouncing your islamic faith in one of those countries and watch how fast you disappear. Even supposedly tolerant and Western friendly muslim countries are like that. Saudi Arabia is a great example. If you went there to try and convert a muslim away from islam, you will be in for a FUCK of a lot of trouble.

Their right to decide anything for themselves has been taken away by harsh enforcement of their religious laws. Especially the women.

Actually it changes nothing. Its still their society. I might bring up that our natives feel they don't have a choice and haven't had a choice since we came over.

They do have a choice and if you are reading and watching you'll see that many in their society feel these punishments are wrong and they are working to change it.

Exactly what should happen is happening. Their society is changing because thats what the people want. The difference is a bunch of self righteous westerners ignorant of how slowly their society changed expect them to adapt at an unreasonable pace.

I'll also point out that a shit load of dead innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan had no choice either. I'm sure the Malaysians need no lessons in crime and punishment from us.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Actually it changes nothing. Its still their society. I might bring up that our natives feel they don't have a choice and haven't had a choice since we came over.

They do have a choice and if you are reading and watching you'll see that many in their society feel these punishments are wrong and they are working to change it.

Exactly what should happen is happening. Their society is changing because thats what the people want. The difference is a bunch of self righteous westerners ignorant of how slowly their society changed expect them to adapt at an unreasonable pace.

Unreasonable pace?? C'mon Derby, countries like Afghanistan and Iran had well educated populations including women, and were quite progressive. All people were encouraged to be the best they could be. Islamic rule put those 2 countries 1000 years into the past.
Hell Iran wasn't even under muslim rule until the Shah died. That was what, 30 years ago?
I've met several women from Iran (Persians) that were very well spoken, confident and highly intelligent. They were even allowed to be, dare I say, doctors!!! Thank God islam came around to put them back in their place eh?

[OnTheIce]

Derby thinks people should be able to sell drugs without punishment. Cool.