[poquas]

kenmore kenmore:

We're talking about phoney refugee claims here folks.. no Country has the right to challenge our policy on phoney claims..

I live in a city (Surrey) which has an enormous East Indian community. To the west is Richmond which appears to be completely Chinese. Some of my family lives in Abbotsford, which appears to be 50% East Indian. In those three cities alone the majority of those are here for less than 20 years. Many have little or no education. A huge number do not speak English. In almost all those cases it’s families importing their own extended families. That’s not abuse?

How about the government addresses those problems. The same problem exists in the GTA as well. Huge “ghettos” of one particular ethnic group that isn’t capable of mixing into the cultures around them.

I’m all for immigration that allows anyone from anywhere if they can meet minimum education, and health requirements. First of all, we have to have jobs for these people. The ability of a new immigrant to “sponsor” great aunt Fanny and her thirty closest family members has to stop. We need a method of tracking them once they enter the country. We need a method of fast removal of someone we want removed.

Most of all we need a government with the balls to even attempt to fix the problem.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

That's another problem well demonstrated poquas. Even IF they want to sponsor "family", the problem is, the sponsoring family relieves itself of its obligation shortly after and the newcomer than precedes to go underground or live off the system.
I think it was W5 several years back that brought this up to those that ran immigration. The response was, they didn't have the resources to track down all the sponsors to collect the money that was paid out to their newly arrived "family" member(s)
W5 put something like 8 people on the case and were able to get a hold of a signicant number of sponsors. Sometimes the only resource that's short is the actual WILL to do something about it

[Curtman]

poquas poquas:

kenmore kenmore:

We're talking about phoney refugee claims here folks.. no Country has the right to challenge our policy on phoney claims..

I live in a city (Surrey) which has an enormous East Indian community. To the west is Richmond which appears to be completely Chinese. Some of my family lives in Abbotsford, which appears to be 50% East Indian. In those three cities alone the majority of those are here for less than 20 years. Many have little or no education. A huge number do not speak English. In almost all those cases it’s families importing their own extended families. That’s not abuse?

Was it abuse when our forefathers sailed over here and settled?

How many people move here from India as a refugee versus "legitimate" immigration? I work in the new housing construction industry, and the people who are buying big fancy houses these days don't seem to be struggling, and sponging off our system at all.

[BartSimpson]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Aww. Porquas argument was so persuasive and you just had to wreck it.

No country has the right to tell us how we manage our borders. This might have been done better, but like a tax increase, it's news that would have been bad regardless of how it was told.

Mexico has a nasty habit of bitching about how the USA manages our border while the most secure border in the Americas is Mexico's southern border and the most restrictive immigration laws in the world (next to only Japan) are also Mexican.

Get used to these bastards telling Canada how best to take care of Mexicans because they've been doing it to us for 30 years now.

[Biblesmasher]

Curtman Curtman:

Was it abuse when our forefathers sailed over here and settled?

Pretty Ironic isn't it. Here come the "the Vikings were here first" reply's.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

[quote="Curtman
Was it abuse when our forefathers sailed over here and settled?

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Well let's see, our forefathers came here and worked the land, or built industry or infrastructure etc etc to make this country great.
I hardly think we need more pizza delivery and taxi drivers.

I'm not trying to paint all immigrants that colour. Many East Indians come here that don't even need to work. They are independently well off. I have no issues with immigration if they can be self sufficient or can fill jobs that are having trouble getting filled.
I just don't think we should be letting those that do mooch, continue to mooch.

[EyeBrock]

Scape Scape:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Lets get rid of the bogus claimants that have been clogging up the system for decades.
Lets make this fair and lets kick out the cheats in less than five years. Let's try a month?

That is going to mean more staff even if it is only temps. Regardless the Alberta option did just that and it brought the wait down by supplementing federal work. Make no mistake thou it is still federal work and that's why Ontario wanted no hand in it. Still the Alberta option worked and simply put the whole system could work if they get serious about staffing.

Beyond that your correct that being without an income for 6 months and dependent upon a sponsor for 10 years is detrimental and is in desperate need of review. That could easily be rectified by even a private members bill by any of the parties but none think it is that important to Canadians. Perhaps you could write your MP and hear why.

No, you are getting the wrong end of the stick here. I don't begrudge not getting welfare. I came here to work.
What I begrudge is bogus refugees getting welfare.

They should be held in a secure facility until processed like they are in the US.

Canada didn't owe me a living, and we don't owe these cheats a living either.

[Curtman]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Well let's see, our forefathers came here and worked the land, or built industry or infrastructure etc etc to make this country great.
I hardly think we need more pizza delivery and taxi drivers.

I'm not trying to paint all immigrants that colour. Many East Indians come here that don't even need to work. They are independently well off. I have no issues with immigration if they can be self sufficient or can fill jobs that are having trouble getting filled.
I just don't think we should be letting those that do mooch, continue to mooch.

You are a victim of prejudice. It's not your fault probably.

[ridenrain]

Ahmed Ressam or the Millennium Bomber, Mohammed Mansour Jabarah, and the whole Khadr family are current examples but all the gangsters we brought in before Hong Kong turned are not forgotten either.

This turns into a book review of:
The Martyr's Oath
The apprenticship of a hownmgrown terrorist.
by Stewart Bell.

http://www.stewartbell.net/Text/1219088635057-9221/

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Curtman Curtman:

You are a victim of prejudice. It's not your fault probably.

And HEREEEEEE comes the ultra left wing rhetoric. So because I don't think Canada should support those immigrants that are just mooching, I'm prejudiced.
Because I feel that right now, Canada should worry more about the quality of immigrants instead of quantity, I'm prejudiced.
Yer fucking right I'm prejudiced. I'm prejudiced against people coming here, contributing NOTHING and demanding that we take care of them anyway. I'm prejudiced against those in government that seem to think that's perfectly OK.
Tell ya what sport, when you personally sponsor an immigrant or two, then come talk to me about prejudism. Until then, your talk is nothing but rhetoric and hot air.

[Curtman]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

So because I don't think Canada should support those immigrants that are just mooching, I'm prejudiced.

No, because as soon as we start talking about immigrants, you start talking about taxi drivers, pizza delivery drivers, and moochers. It's very sad.

[EyeBrock]

The system needs changing Curtman. If the Liberals grasped that nettle, they would steal votes from the middle ground Tories.

If Iggy announced a far reaching and fair overhaul of the mess that is our immigration system, I would vote for him.

I find it very unlikely he will make any meaningful changes and we will continue to allow cheaters and liars in by the thousands.

The Tories won't be able to change a thing with the Libs and the Libs will see it as rocking the boat with their huge ethnic immigrant base in Ontario.

Hence nothing will change because no Canadian party has the balls to do anything about it.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Curtman Curtman:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

So because I don't think Canada should support those immigrants that are just mooching, I'm prejudiced.

No, because as soon as we start talking about immigrants, you start talking about taxi drivers, pizza delivery drivers, and moochers. It's very sad.

Yes, reality can be very sad. I can see why you live in denial about it. It's easier to pretend it's not happening, that way you can be true to your liberal beliefs.
The only reason I mentioned pizza drivers, taxi drivers and mooches is, quite frankly, we have more than enough of them. We need immigrants that will contribute to Canada, ESPECIALLY during tough economic times.
Let me ask you something Curtman. Let's pretend you are a business owner. It's been a rough couple years. Your profits have been down by 50% or more. Are you going to continue to hire people? Not likely. Well it ain't much different right now. We have tens of thousands of Canadians out of work, some unfortunately are having to rely on the social safety net. Does it make sense to continue to let in tens of thousand of immigrants when there is a serious shortage of work? Does it make sense to put them on a system that's almost to its breaking point?
It's not prejudism, it's called basic economics.

[EyeBrock]

I agree Public.

The rate of immigration should match expected vacancies. As it is, NOTHING is taken into account about Canada's needs.
Nearly 45% of immigration is now made up of 'Family Class' immigrants and refugees. That's over 300,000 in the past 3 years.

A good chunk of these are elderly people who are prime users of our health-care system. A system funded by taxes that they have never paid.

Obviously there are benefits to having the family class immigrants but Canada's real needs should be the priority here.
Shouldn’t Canada dictate who comes in according to the countries needs?
Or should we bow down to ethnic groups lobbying powers, or the partisan interests of political parties looking for ethnic bloc votes?
Or the huge immigration industry of lawyers, para-legals and ‘advocacy’ groups whose raison d'etre is to ensure hundreds of thousands of refugees and immigrants continue to come in unabated by any concerns Canada’s citizens have into the quality of new immigrants?

Can we not question these things without being accused of being ‘racist’?

Let's look at the nearly 100,000 refugees. How much do you think it's costing us to support these people?
How many of these are bogus?
We have IRB members such as Hamas supporter Khaled Mouammar, who had a 100% applicant approval rate for immigrants from his ethnic background for the TEN years he was on the IRB.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada ... id=1363169

I don't think hiring more case workers is really going to help this corrupt and manipulated system.

[Curtman]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

It's easier to pretend it's not happening, that way you can be true to your liberal beliefs.

Yeah, meanwhile there is no evidence to say anything like what you are talking about is happening here at all. Maybe it's time to stop pretending there isn't a large amount of racial intolerance out West.

Immigrants in Manitoba Have The Highest Employment Rate in Canada

Maybe it isn't the system that's broken. Maybe it's your attitudes.