[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

chatter chatter chatter.. Where's the proof?
I can't find any recent examples of Columbian insurgents moving into Venesuelia.

Where is your proof he is vying for a war "his class demands". Thats just more of your 50s commie rhetoric.

Of course the US establishing bases next door doesn't bother you but if Chavez had, say China or Russia establishing bases at Chavez requests you would be OK with that eh?

[Donny_Brasco]

ridenrain ridenrain:

It's the external boogyman his class war demands.

As Osama is to the Americans. The difference is the I believe that America is a more credible threat to Chavez than Osama is to America.

[ridenrain]

$1:

CARACAS, Venezuela (CNN) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called Friday for Europe to remove from its list of terrorist organizations two Colombian groups -- including FARC, the group that freed two hostages Thursday in a mission Chavez organized.
During his televised State of the Union speech, Chavez -- an outspoken enemy of the Bush administration -- insisted Europe includes the two groups on its terror list only because of "pressure" from the United States, which also names them on its list of foreign terrorist organizations.
"I request from the governments of the continent that they will remove the FARC and the ELN," Chavez said.

FARC, the leftist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, has been blamed for numerous attacks and holds about 750 hostages, according to Colombian government estimates.

ELN, the National Liberation Army, the second-largest rebel group in Colombia, also is blamed for killings, kidnappings, and other attacks. This week the Colombian government announced the capture of Carlos Marin Guarin, known by the alias "Pablito," alleged to have commanded roughly half the ELN force.

Both FARC and ELN are on the European Union's list of groups and individuals believed linked to terrorism.

"I will ask Europe to remove the ELN and the FARC from the list of terrorist groups in the world, because that only has one source: the pressure of the United States," Chavez said.
He argued, "I say this even though somebody might be bothered by it: the FARC and the ELN are not terrorist groups. They are armies, real armies ... that occupy a space in Colombia."

He added that the two groups' "insurgent forces" have a goal, "a project," that is "Bolivarian" and that "we respect."

Chavez said his nation is committed to bringing about peace in Colombia, a task that means "we must continue to work at the various levels" with FARC and ELN.
"No one should be bothered by it. It is absolutely essential to do so. Who can think of the possibility of a peace accord when there is no contact with the parties involved," he asked

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/ ... index.html

Based on these actions, the records of the $300 million that Chavez gave to FARC seems quite believable.

[DerbyX]

Blah blah blah.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... oney_N.htm

You aren't offended that a foreign nation is doing this. You are just offended the other side is.

[Donny_Brasco]

ridenrain ridenrain:

chatter chatter chatter.. Where's the proof?
I can't find any recent examples of Columbian insurgents moving into Venesuelia.

In the topsy-turvy land of the left, the reality is that Chavez is sending insurgents into Columbia.

They're called Americans.

Would you bet against Americans infiltrating and influencing Venezuela somehow? Knowing the last 80 years of American history it is almost a given that anywhere there is a leader the Americans don't like there are American dollar bills floating around that country with American CIA fingerprints on them.

Am I wrong? Am I paranoid? Would you like a few dozen/hundred examples of American interference in other countries politics? I'm sure you’re not dumb enough to believe the Yanks have turned over a new leaf and are letting Hugo do his thing...never mind I retract that I forgot who I was talking to.

[ridenrain]

No examples of Columbia or the US sending insurgents into Chaze's workers paradise.

[Donny_Brasco]

ridenrain ridenrain:

No examples of Columbia or the US sending insurgents into Chaze's workers paradise.

Fair enough, but who is Chaze?

[DerbyX]

Yes because there are no precedents of them doing it eh?

Any proof that Chavez is establishing bases in foreign countries with an implied threat to US interests?

Any proof Chavez has invaded a foreign country with a justification built on deliberate lies and falsified evidence?

[Toro]

Hugh must need a vote passed or is lagging in the polls or something to divert attention from home.

[Beej]

Toro Toro:

Hugh must need a vote passed or is lagging in the polls or something to divert attention from home.

Exactly. Chavez isn't looking to start a war. This is just a PR stunt to make him look tough against the capitalist pig-dog Americans.

[GreenTiger]

Perhaps the best way to approach Mr Hugo is the same way Hillary Clinton is treating Kim Jong Il(l), don't give him the attention that he so desparetely craves and he will start to act like an adult.

[Toro]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Perhaps the best way to approach Mr Hugo is the same way Hillary Clinton is treating Kim Jong Il(l), don't give him the attention that he so desparetely craves and he will start to act like an adult.

Yeah, that or invade Venezuela, take over the oil fields and make Hugh our bee-atch.

[ASLplease]

was there any doubt that the loud mouth asshole is hell bent to start a war?

[Choban]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

ridenrain ridenrain:

chatter chatter chatter.. Where's the proof?
I can't find any recent examples of Columbian insurgents moving into Venesuelia.

In the topsy-turvy land of the left, the reality is that Chavez is sending insurgents into Columbia.

They're called Americans.

Would you bet against Americans infiltrating and influencing Venezuela somehow? Knowing the last 80 years of American history it is almost a given that anywhere there is a leader the Americans don't like there are American dollar bills floating around that country with American CIA fingerprints on them.

Am I wrong? Am I paranoid? Would you like a few dozen/hundred examples of American interference in other countries politics? I'm sure you’re not dumb enough to believe the Yanks have turned over a new leaf and are letting Hugo do his thing...never mind I retract that I forgot who I was talking to.

Donny, your not wrong about American intervention in other countries, thats a given. However, Chavez is still a showboat tooting his own horn and justifying his actions to the rest of South America.
Honestly, if this guy was a quiet laid back leader that didn't slam the US at EVERY opportunity would he really have anything to worry about? I doubt it.