[Bodah]

I cant see how she wouldn't know half her face was going to be tattooed. I dont think the language barrier matter would matter here. I'm sure he would of explained were he was going to tattoo even if he was just muttering and pointing out on her face where he was going to work.

Second, there's usually stencil work involved prior to tattooing. That should of gave her some indication where she was going to be inked. Although with something like stars some artists may stencil as he works.

Third, tattooing the face is pretty painful, I doubt she fell asleep during that.

Sounds like "sober" second thought may of kicked in the next morning. Another reason why some shops wont tattoo someone under the influence.

[Blue_Nose]

DerbyX DerbyX:

No. I said I see no reason why it isn't a mistake. She was certain she asked for 3 and he was certain she asked for 56.

The artist isn't saying it was a mistake, he said she wanted 56 tattoos and she was aware of the progress throughout the session, and so is a witness. Either both the artist and witness are lying about a completely plausible scenario, or she is about a ridiculously convoluted scenario.

[DerbyX]

People DO pass out from getting tattooed.



In fact just enter "passing out when getting tattooed" into the youtube search engine and you get lots of videos.

The fact is that it is entirely likely she passed out when getting the tattoo.

[Bodah]

She said she feel asleep, the artisted stated she never did and actually checked his work from time to time. And as you can see in your videos. The artists stops working when people do pass out.

As the saying goes becarefull what you wish for sometimes it comes true.

[DerbyX]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

DerbyX DerbyX:

No. I said I see no reason why it isn't a mistake. She was certain she asked for 3 and he was certain she asked for 56.

The artist isn't saying it was a mistake, he said she wanted 56 tattoos and she was aware of the progress throughout the session, and so is a witness. Either both the artist and witness are lying about a completely plausible scenario, or she is about a ridiculously convoluted scenario.

You are discounting the possibility that she thought she was explaining properly but wasn't.

Its obvious they are from differing countries and languages so thats entirely plausible. No word on the witness though but they might be lying to protect him or they may be assuming (like so many others) that there was no way she could make that error and therefore his version is the truth.

Why are you being so judgemental to her anyway? Weren't you just telling people to get over themselves endlessly talking about the war memorial graffiti story?

At least that involved our country and a real reason for people to be upset and now you are spending so much time making sure that nobody but nobody thinks she isn't some hussy making up this story because her father and BF flipped out?

[DerbyX]

Bodah Bodah:

She said she feel asleep, the artisted stated she never did and actually checked his work from time to time. And as you can see in your videos. The artists stops working when people do pass out.

As the saying goes becarefull what you wish for sometimes it comes true.

Well you were dead wrong on the asleep thing weren't you? Asleep and passing out can be easily interchangable by people in that situation. In addition, its also a factor that people in that state are akin to sleepwalkers where they may look and act awake but they aren't.

Like I said, that very thing happened to my friend.

Why are you so quick to condemn this girl?

[jason700]

She didn't bring anyone with her? She didn't tell anyone about the tattoo she was planning on getting?

[Blue_Nose]

DerbyX DerbyX:

No word on the witness though but they might be lying to protect him or they may be assuming (like so many others) that there was no way she could make that error and therefore his version is the truth.

See, you're just building up all these beliefs that demonstrate what you believe is true - that there was a mistranslation, that she passed out, that the witness is lying or making assumptions, that the artist is lying, too, etc etc etc - when the simple alternative that she regrets the tattoo and is lying to cover it up explains all of it. Occam's razor, Derby.

DerbyX DerbyX:

Why are you being so judgemental to her anyway? Weren't you just telling people to get over themselves endlessly talking about the war memorial graffiti story?

I'm not being "so judgemental" of her, the only thing I criticized her for is lying to cover up her bad mistake. I'm moreso judgemental of your persistence in making excuses for her that don't make any sense.

Not that the war memorial thing has anything bearing on anything here, but I certainly didn't even imply that anyone should "get over themselves". My point there was that if the person who discovered the defacement of the memorial had just cleaned it off immediately and told nobody about it, it'd be gone and there'd be minimal damage done. Dragging it into the public media only serves to bring more attention to the people who deserve it the least, cause more people to be offended by a senseless act, and encourages others to attempt similar acts to gain attention, too.

[DerbyX]

Toumanaintz said from now on he will get written consent from clients before he begins tattooing.

Poses the question as to why he didn't before? Seems the smart thing for a tattoo professional to do.

[Bodah]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Well you were dead wrong on the asleep thing weren't you? Asleep and passing out can be easily interchangable by people in that situation. In addition, its also a factor that people in that state are akin to sleepwalkers where they may look and act awake but they aren't.

Like I said, that very thing happened to my friend.

Why are you so quick to condemn this girl?

I'm not quick to condemn her, although just like you we weren't there were we. So will never know who's story is true I suppose.
I'm just leaning towards the artists version.

We'll just have to agree to respectfully disagree I suppose.

[Brenda]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Brenda Brenda:

Ah, no... This is from the story:

$1:

The trouble all started when she went home and her father and boyfriend threw a fit.

Ah, I missed that - even more reason to suggest she's changing the story - why would she get all the way home before she decided to complain about it?

My thoughts exactly...
I don't buy her story, and I think the artist is pretty nice about it. It's his good name that goes for grabs now. Of course it gives him publicity, but is this really the publicity you would want?

[DerbyX]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

See, you're building up all these hypotheticals that demonstrate what you believe is true - that there was a mistranslation, that she passed out, that the witness is lying or making assumptions, etc etc etc - when the simple alternative that she regrets the tattoo and is lying to cover it up explains all of it. Occam's razor, Derby.

Simplest explanation is a miscommunication in my eyes.

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

I'm not being "so judgemental" of her, the only thing I criticized her for is lying to cover up her bad mistake. I'm moreso judgemental of your persistence in making excuses for her that don't make any sense.

You have no proof she is lying and therefore are making a judgement on her. You are making an assumption no different then I am and I'm certainly not making excuses for her. There is plenty of guilt for someone who doesn't take simple precautions such as bringing along a friend. I'm making excuses for him right alongside her. I'm certainly not holding him anymore accountable then he is himself by offering half of the removal costs. If his case was so open and shut why offer it at all? He might end up being on the hock for many more customers who want a cheaper way out of unwanted tattoos.

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Not that the war memorial thing has anything bearing on anything here, but I certainly didn't even imply that anyone should "get over themselves". My point there was that if the person who discovered the defacement of the memorial had just cleaned it off immediately and told nobody about it, it'd be gone and there'd be minimal damage done. Dragging it into the public media only serves to bring more attention to the people who deserve it the least, cause more people to be offended by a senseless act, and encourages others to attempt similar acts to gain attention, too.

So what? So what if they decide they are going to give it press? They likely believe that the overwhelming public support for their position will have a positive affect such as more people being aware of the memorials and what they mean and possibly more people keeping a lookout.

[Choban]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Actually passing out and/or zoning out is not uncommon. A friend got a tattoo and thats just what happened to him. This girls story does have a ring of truth about it.

A good artist that runs his shop with a degree of morality would stop working on a customer that has passed out or even fell asleep.
No artist that doesn't want to ruin his livelyhood would intentionally use these circumstances to go overboard on a customer.
No to mention that you usually (at the shops I frequent)get an estimate of what the work would cost so there would have to be some aggreed on # of stars she wanted.

[Choban]

Bodah Bodah:

Check out this dude from Montreal
I bring you zombie boy

I wonder if he is employed?

[DerbyX]

Brenda Brenda:

My thoughts exactly...
I don't buy her story, and I think the artist is pretty nice about it. It's his good name that goes for grabs now. Of course it gives him publicity, but is this really the publicity you would want?

Exact same reason even people with completely legitimate complaints often don't confront the person right away.

Perhaps she was still woozy? Perhaps she was in shock?

I find that easier to buy that her concocting a story that she knows damn well will fall apart if she really did ask for 56 stars just because her father and BF objected.