[QBall]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

If someone could show me proof that God exists, I will believe it. Until then I see as much likely hood that there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster, as there is Yahweh.

You don't need proof in God to believe in what believing in God is suppose to mean. What does believing in a Flying Spaghetti Monster suppose to mean? What solace does believing in a Flying Spaghetti Monster suppose to give people?

[chellee]

commanderkai commanderkai:

chellee chellee:

I agree with the protesters. If one religious group can advertise its beliefs ala church and door knockers then so can atheists advertise their message.

Umm...that's a bit different from advertising on city buses, just saying. Door knockers/solicitors and churches are private groups/individuals. Nobody forces you to enter a church or listen to door knockers.

But yeah, I'll agree with the protesters because it's their money to waste, so why not, and let them piss it away on some cute semantics that will grant the city revenue money.

My point was rather that if one group can advertise so can another--not whether you are forced to listen....

When victory magazines are dropped on your doorstep unasked for; when your weekend mornings are interrupted by jo-hos or mormons pounding on your door; when aspects of your life are dictated by strong-armed politicians....ya you are forced; forced to react; forced to have an opinion; forced to alter your life or defend it.

I rather think the atheists message was pertinent no matter what faith, if any, you follow....this is life, live for it not the afterlife.....

[2Cdo]

I have no problem with the ads, after all they were paid for. But I would definetly have issues if some religious group paid for ads and the atheists started protesting. I personally find atheist extremists are just as bad as religious extremists. Both groups should be put down like rabid dogs.

[commanderkai]

chellee chellee:

My point was rather that if one group can advertise so can another--not whether you are forced to listen....

When victory magazines are dropped on your doorstep unasked for; when your weekend mornings are interrupted by jo-hos or mormons pounding on your door; when aspects of your life are dictated by strong-armed politicians....ya you are forced; forced to react; forced to have an opinion; forced to alter your life or defend it.

Well, I never been personally solicited by religious missionaries, but you can say. "No, I'm not interested, but thank you for your time." And they'll probably leave, like Girl Scouts selling cookies or whatever else.

If you get a magazine that you don't want? Recycle it. And if you really want, start an atheist magazine and let religious folks recycle it.

If you want an atheist politician, run for office, or support the less religious candidate.

So far, if that's what you need to alter your life or forced to react to, you have it easy. Outside of the political issue (which, I believe, is overblown, but hey) your life won't be disrupted so horribly by people dropping a magazine at your door, or soliciting their views on you.

[Bacardi4206]

commanderkai commanderkai:

chellee chellee:

I agree with the protesters. If one religious group can advertise its beliefs ala church and door knockers then so can atheists advertise their message.

Umm...that's a bit different from advertising on city buses, just saying. Door knockers/solicitors and churches are private groups/individuals. Nobody forces you to enter a church or listen to door knockers.

But yeah, I'll agree with the protesters because it's their money to waste, so why not, and let them piss it away on some cute semantics that will grant the city revenue money.

It's pretty much the same actually, nobody is forcing you to be a athiest just because you saw a athiesm sign on a bus. Advertisement is advertisment. On a bus or going door to door.

I however like one of there messages which basicly states you don't have to have faith in religion and it's rules to be a good person. Basicly stating that human beings are all capable of being good.

[commanderkai]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

It's pretty much the same actually, nobody is forcing you to be a athiest just because you saw a athiesm sign on a bus. Advertisement is advertisment. On a bus or going door to door.

I however like one of there messages which basicly states you don't have to have faith in religion and it's rules to be a good person. Basicly stating that human beings are all capable of being good.

Like I said, I don't care. If they want to create the ad and pay for it, they should be allowed. If people want to solicit atheism to me door to door, go ahead, if you want to leave a flyer, or a magazine, more power to you.

[Thanos]

commanderkai commanderkai:

chellee chellee:

My point was rather that if one group can advertise so can another--not whether you are forced to listen....

When victory magazines are dropped on your doorstep unasked for; when your weekend mornings are interrupted by jo-hos or mormons pounding on your door; when aspects of your life are dictated by strong-armed politicians....ya you are forced; forced to react; forced to have an opinion; forced to alter your life or defend it.

Well, I never been personally solicited by religious missionaries, but you can say. "No, I'm not interested, but thank you for your time." And they'll probably leave, like Girl Scouts selling cookies or whatever else.

If you get a magazine that you don't want? Recycle it. And if you really want, start an atheist magazine and let religious folks recycle it.

If you want an atheist politician, run for office, or support the less religious candidate.

So far, if that's what you need to alter your life or forced to react to, you have it easy. Outside of the political issue (which, I believe, is overblown, but hey) your life won't be disrupted so horribly by people dropping a magazine at your door, or soliciting their views on you.

It's not about any trifle of an annoyance factor. I agree with you practically 100% about the obnoxiousness of any atheist who freaks out over a "God bless you" or the kids singing Christmas carols in elementary school, or anything similiar, because at that point it's no longer has anything to do with atheism as either a policy or philosophy. It's dragged into the quagmire of political correctness by the pathetically hypersensitive just to stifle of debate and to ruin the freedom of other individuals to engage in legitimate criticism. I hate that particular way of thinking of some atheists (hopefully the smallest minority of them anyway) as much as I do Muslim groups, or gay groups, or feminist groups, using the various HRC's to wreck the free speech of their critics.

But the bigger point of atheism remains valid. It's about hardline and inflexible social conservative religious groups trying to make laws and government policy mirror their own beliefs. If you want atheists to not engage in extremism and to respect you in turn then stop trying to force religious based bigotry and intolerance of those who don't walk the line down the throats of the rest of us. We won't be tolerating this type of coercive bullying any longer.

[rawmeat]

Instead of spending the money on bus adds they should spend it on beer!!!

[RUEZ]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Good for them, sticking it to those religous people. Telling them you don't have to have faith in god to be a good person. You just have to have faith in yourself and other people.

Ya, religious people are doody heads.

[commanderkai]

Thanos Thanos:

But the bigger point of atheism remains valid. It's about hardline and inflexible social conservative religious groups trying to make laws and government policy mirror their own beliefs. If you want atheists to not engage in extremism and to respect you in turn then stop trying to force religious based bigotry and intolerance of those who don't walk the line down the throats of the rest of us. We won't be tolerating this type of coercive bullying any longer.

Totally agreed. I just as much get annoyed at the creationist who pushes their theory into schools as much as atheists who want "Under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance. I believe that the West should stay a politically secular, without interfering with the religious practices of any person as long as those religious beliefs do not violate any laws (not into human sacrifice or whatever else, if anybody still follows the Azteks).

[Axeman]

rawmeat rawmeat:

Instead of spending the money on bus adds they should spend it on beer!!!

I know you meant that to be a flipant comment, but it has an aweful lot of merit. If folks just sat down with one another, cracked a box and talked shit out, we could likely all fuckin'-well get along.

[Scape]

[romanP]

QBall QBall:

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

If someone could show me proof that God exists, I will believe it. Until then I see as much likely hood that there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster, as there is Yahweh.

You don't need proof in God to believe in what believing in God is suppose to mean.

Believing in god can mean a lot of things. They're still fighting over it in Israel and Palestine.

This is one of many reasons that belief can be a dangerous thing.

[Bacardi4206]

QBall QBall:

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

If someone could show me proof that God exists, I will believe it. Until then I see as much likely hood that there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster, as there is Yahweh.

You don't need proof in God to believe in what believing in God is suppose to mean. What does believing in a Flying Spaghetti Monster suppose to mean? What solace does believing in a Flying Spaghetti Monster suppose to give people?

Hmm... believing in a imaginary person as the creator of everything just make people feel better about there being a after-life or the trueth... hmm hard decision.

Personally if god made the earth and everybody on here or if there was a scientific explanation which there are many it makes no difference because both are theories on how life started. Why does one make people feel better? Both are the same, just one is fact while the other is fictional bs made up before the medieval ages.

Also maybe the Spaghetti Monster gives everybody Spaghetti and solves world hunger? That will atleast be a god that accomplishes something.

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