[Terence]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

I am willing to bet more white Alberta men have killed their wives in any given year than all the honour killings in Sikh and Muslim populations in all of Canada in any given year.

I'll take that bet. Do you have any statistics, or was that just another chance to bash us "Rednecks"?

The Toronto Star stated recently the highest number of honour killings in any year in Canada was 5. Are you telling me there are less than 5 common and civil law wives killed in any year in Alberta?

It wasn't a specific swipe at Alberta. It is just that the number of men in Alberta vs the number of Sikhs and Muslims in Canada are "relatively" close.

[Terence]

I laugh at you all and your belief that because "some" people want to target people based on ethnicity, the courts and the law will bow to your new fascist whims.

I want you to look at the Provincial and Federal Courts, and Supreme Court, and listen to this...

NOTHING YOU FASCISTS DREAM OF WILL STAND UP TO THE CHARTER OR LEGAL PRECEDENT!

Wallow in your inadequacies and hatred of Western legal history. You never will destroy the rule of law.

[martin14]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

I laugh at you all and your belief that because "some" people want to target people based on ethnicity, the courts and the law will bow to your new fascist whims.

I want you look at the Provincial and Federal Courts, and Supreme Court, and listen to this...

NOTHING YOU FASCISTS DREAM OF WILL STAND UP TO THE CHARTER OR LEGAL PRECEDENT!

Wallow in your inadequacies and hatred of Western legal history. You never will.

hmmm, its close to boiling now


you think typing in caps will somehow make it better ?
maybe some fancy colors or flashing lights next time

[Brenda]

I take it you mean me and Martin? Ethnicity is not important. Colour is not important. Religion is not important.
Obeying the rules of the country is important. The law says you can not murder. As an immigrant, you risk deportation when you do. If you, as an immigrant, are convicted of murder or accesory to murder, you risk deportation. It is not that hard. Do you finally get the picture?

[Terence]

Brenda my comprehension challenged poster, I SAID THAT, REPEATEDLY.

But no one can strip someone of citizenship unless they broke the law, no matter what Martin thinks. The petrified, most often, culturally sequestered mother, and 14 year old sister shouldn't be booted from Canada because of an abusive husband and brother in law killed a promiscuous daughter.

You seem to pop into conversations, not read the back history and assume you are the sun the moon and the stars and every critique was of your drivel.

[martin14]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

Brenda my comprehension challenged poster, I SAID THAT, REPEATEDLY.

But no one can strip someone of citizenship unless they broke the law, no matter what Martin thinks. The petrified, most often, culturally sequestered mother, and 14 year old sister shouldn't be booted from Canada because of an abusive husband and brother in law killed a promiscuous daughter.

You seem to pop into conversations, not read the back history and assume you are the sun the moon and the stars and every critique was of your drivel.

Who gives a fuck why she was killed ?

ahhh, now maybe we are starting to see something.

The idea is to stop the father/brother from killing in the first place.
Got any ideas ?

Oh and don't forget to put them in caps

[Brenda]

So why are you arguing me and ridiculing my point (that I stated from the beginning) if you agree with me?

[Terence]

Cultural, most second generation kids adapt better.

You want to get inside the communities, you have to get inside of private elementary and secondary schools, which I have a huge problem with. Fundamentalist christians, muslims and sikhs all have these unCanadian institutions. Religious institutions including evangelical christian splinter nuts need to be monitored.

The state needs to provide kids with common Canadian society views, varying from legal rights, gender rights, and reproductive health info among other things.

[Terence]

http://www.amazon.com/Chasing-Mirage-Tr ... 0470841168

Tarek Fatah is a friend of a number of my friends. He is the bright light in Canada's Muslim community, a proud Canadian, a Liberal, and the premier anti Islamist activist in Canada.

[DrCaleb]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

I am willing to bet more white Alberta men have killed their wives in any given year than all the honour killings in Sikh and Muslim populations in all of Canada in any given year.

I'll take that bet. Do you have any statistics, or was that just another chance to bash us "Rednecks"?

The Toronto Star stated recently the highest number of honour killings in any year in Canada was 5. Are you telling me there are less than 5 common and civil law wives killed in any year in Alberta?

It wasn't a specific swipe at Alberta. It is just that the number of men in Alberta vs the number of Sikhs and Muslims in Canada are "relatively" close.

It was a swipe at 'Alberta', because you specifically mentioned it! And Alberta was the first place in North America to have a Mosque. We also have some very large Sikh communities.

So, you have no real statistics, you just felt like Redneck bashing along with the others. Women are just as likely to kill their husbands, here as much as anywhere.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story ... death.html

Kind of funny, but a quick 'Google' shows that "man kills wife" turns up stories mostly from out east. Here's some real statistics:

Stats Can Stats Can:

Of the 62 female victims of spousal homicide, 27 women were killed by their legally-married husband, 20 by a common-law husband and 15 by a separated or divorced husband. Of the 12 male victims, 3 were killed by their legally-married wife, 8 by their common-law wife and 1 by a separated or divorced wife.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidie ... 6b-eng.htm

You can get more granular here:

http://cansim2.statcan.ca/cgi-win/cnsmc ... A&CORRel=4

Let me save you some time. There are more spousal homicides in Ontario and Quebec than the rest of Canada put together.

But, what does any of that have to do with 'Honour Killings'?

[Terence]

$1:

"Let me save you some time. There are more spousal homicides in Ontario and Quebec than the rest of Canada put together."

um, they make up almost two thirds of the population. of course they would have more than the small 1/3 population in the rest of Canada.

White people kill far more per capita than brown people.

you forgot this quote in your link....

$1:

"Women were much more likely to be killed by their spouse than men. In 2004, the spousal homicide rate against women was five times higher than the corresponding rate for men."

[ShintoMale]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

ridenrain ridenrain:

This sort of crap should be escalated to a hate crime. It needs to be stamped out by education and harsh penalties.

It needs to be stamped out by education and evangelism. Disabusing people of the beliefs that contribute to honor killings cannot be separated from disabusing them from committing honor killings.

why evangelism?

[DrCaleb]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

you forgot this quote in your link....

"Women were much more likely to be killed by their spouse than men. In 2004, the spousal homicide rate against women was five times higher than the corresponding rate for men."

I left out most of the article, which is why I gave the link. So, you agree that a larger population is more likely to have a larger number of homicides per capita. Still think it wasn't a swipe at Alberta?

And how many Honour Killings have there been in Alberta?

None reported. Thanks for playing, insert $.25 to continue.

[Brenda]

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

http://www.amazon.com/Chasing-Mirage-Tragic-lllusion-Islamic/dp/0470841168

Tarek Fatah is a friend of a number of my friends. He is the bright light in Canada's Muslim community, a proud Canadian, a Liberal, and the premier anti Islamist activist in Canada.

Ohhhh, a friend of a friends nephews sister in law!



Quit bragging, you're making a fool outta yourself.

[Terence]

Brenda Brenda:

InternetChatter InternetChatter:

http://www.amazon.com/Chasing-Mirage-Tragic-lllusion-Islamic/dp/0470841168

Tarek Fatah is a friend of a number of my friends. He is the bright light in Canada's Muslim community, a proud Canadian, a Liberal, and the premier anti Islamist activist in Canada.

Ohhhh, a friend of a friends nephews sister in law!



Quit bragging, you're making a fool outta yourself.

Brenda, if you think being a friendof a number of people who are friends of a social issues writer is bragging, you need to get out more.