[StuntmanMike]

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

funny dont remember saying "Canadian soldiers should be able to do whatever they want overseas without regard to law or the articles of war?È

please quote me where i said this

No. But you did say this when you joined the thread.

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

i must be missing something here. Taliban=Terrorist=Shoot Dead. End of story

That implies that if it's a Taliban, he's a terrorist and he can be shot under any circumstances.

That's contrary to Canadian law and the articles of war adhered to by civilized western countries.

You also mentioned something about an incident in 03, but you haven't managed to back that up.

In fact, you haven't really presented any kind of an argument. You've just talked about laser tag and picked fights with Eisensapper.

[StuntmanMike]

karra karra:

$1:

He actually HAS been over there.

So?

Perhaps, in spite of being photographed holding a weapon he is/was a gas jockey - or a paper pusher.

He's a Sapper. Combat Engineer. That's a front line, outside the wire job.

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AC is correct - when you're in a firefight it's exactly that - no one gives a rat's about who on the 'other' side gets shot - the objective is the mission, and getting your sorry arse out in one piece - along with your mates, natch.

Of course it is. Nobody would deny that in a fire fight, a soldier's first goal is winning and survival.

But that's not what Semrau is accused of. He's accused of shooting an unarmed Taliban outside of the heat of battle.

The charges may be false, the investigation may have been shoddy, the motivations behind the investigation may have been politically motivated.

Or he could be a murderer.

We don't know.

He's entitled to a presumption of innocence. He's entitled to a vigorous defence. He's entitled to a fair trial. He's even entitled to the support and understanding of his fellow citizens.

But you can't just assume his actions were above reproach, and you can't just say anything he does over there is acceptable because he's "Putting his life on the line for his country."

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acidcomplex acidcomplex:

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

I think your done in this conversation now.

yeah its called jokes, relax. i guess thats how all great firefights were won right by waiting?. Ive never been so how could i possible know or have any logical thinking right?.

Anyway besides the point of me not having sympathy for someone who walked into a firefight.

Your actually right on the waiting part, you have to wait untill you have a good shot. No you have never been there so you cannot say what can and cant kill you in a tic.

karra karra:

So?

Perhaps, in spite of being photographed holding a weapon he is/was a gas jockey - or a paper pusher.

Fact of the matter is, he hasn't stated he's been in a firefight, and not many of our troops xly have.

I have been in a few. Only in one of them did I fired back. With the others I was either unarmed or let the LAV do all the firing.

[roger-roger]

I think acid and karra are forgetting is that the first thing you do when you see a threat is point your weapon at it. Firing only happens when you feel threatened. Now he may have felt threatened by an unarmed man, I dont know, this is what we will have to wait and see.

[karra]

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...and picked fights with Eisensapper.

Fights? Really? How so?

Seems to me some people need to see humor when it's staring them directly in the face - guess if they don't, perhaps they're on their own mission.

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I think acid and karra are forgetting is that the first thing you do when you see a threat is point your weapon at it.

Don't presume to think pour moi - and merci bookoo too - if you have a question don't be afraid - ask.

You have stated elsewhere your familiarity with law enforcement - in fact you alluded to being a member of such an austere body - so the natural and completely normal question to that is; 'are you on the job?' - I suspect not. If in fact you are - I really hope you realise that MPs are not addmitted.

But, if you are, do I have to/should I post the Use of Force Continuum - you may find it somewhat illuminating - from a law enforcement perspective that is. . . .

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No Im not an MP

Infact I say I am a combat engineer in my profile. It is a member of my family that is an MP so that is why I am familar with the MP trade. Well as much as one can be with a close relative's profession.

[acidcomplex]

more details are out and low and behold it was in the middle of a gun fight,after battle had ceased (granted) and they were ambushed as well. Seems like no one actualy saw the act being commited, except an "unamed" witness. No actual witness to what happened. And know one is picking fights with anyone, if i pick a fight with you (any of you) trust me youll know.

So relax

[roger-roger]

I didnt know there was an update, where did ya read this?

[acidcomplex]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

I didnt know there was an update, where did ya read this?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/562449
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090106.wsemrau0106/BNStory/National/home

[roger-roger]

Thank you acid, I heard of something very similar to this happening on my tour with a Lt who pulled the trigger.

[PENATRATOR]

karra karra:

$1:

...and picked fights with Eisensapper.

Fights? Really? How so?

Seems to me some people need to see humor when it's staring them directly in the face - guess if they don't, perhaps they're on their own mission.

$1:

I think acid and karra are forgetting is that the first thing you do when you see a threat is point your weapon at it.

Don't presume to think pour moi - and merci bookoo too - if you have a question don't be afraid - ask.

You have stated elsewhere your familiarity with law enforcement - in fact you alluded to being a member of such an austere body - so the natural and completely normal question to that is; 'are you on the job?' - I suspect not. If in fact you are - I really hope you realise that MPs are not addmitted.

But, if you are, do I have to/should I post the Use of Force Continuum - you may find it somewhat illuminating - from a law enforcement perspective that is. . . .

MP's are not "addmitted"? What does that mean?

[acidcomplex]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Thank you acid, I heard of something very similar to this happening on my tour with a Lt who pulled the trigger.

. So your back now for good or no?

[roger-roger]

?

[acidcomplex]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

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well your a solider on the front lines in gunfights and such no?. More tours coming up or your home for a bit now?

[roger-roger]

Oh no not for a while, the way things are going for me I will be in Canada for another 2 years or so before I could see another tour.