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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:45 pm
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Make no doubt about it--the cops run Vancouver. It's been one disgrace after another for years int he Lower Mainland and everyone is too gutless to take them on--most particularly other cops. Then again, consider that some guy in Vancouver who stabbed a guy in his car about fifty times just got--wait for it--FIVE years. I guess we a shouldn't be too surprsied.

Remeber Harper getting tough on crime? Whatta joke.
That's funny that you would mention Harper in your little diatribe. What about the years of Liberal rule in which there was no mention of tougher penalties. But naturally you go after the guy that was in power less then three years but wants to make criminals pay more for their crime. Would you rather a Liberal government that doesn't think their is a problem?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:46 pm
 


well, I have heard some comments from people I know who used to live in Vancouver. I would hope it isn't a rampant an issue as you say it is. However, it does appear at times the police get away with much more than any other citizen would get, duties not withstanding.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:02 pm
 


It's not so much an issue as to the RCMP's using the taser since I am convinced that when cops make use of this weapon, they are making a decision not to take a life but what I thought was so atrocious was the lack of care they showed after tasering Dziekanski.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:13 pm
 


I don't know where you're going with this Dayseed but it's not very convincing.
Sure, we can't tell the whole story from that video but then we're damned lucky we had that video or none of us would even be talking about this now.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:14 pm
 


So what happens to the airport personnel that was not able to figure out (when he was still pretty calm) where he was from and where he should go to? The people his mom had called that didn't sort anything out? The people that KNEW he didn't speak English, but Polish? And that refused to get an interpreter?

The only thing they did, was call the cops after 10 hours, when he became a bit agitated


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:23 pm
 


Nothing happens to them.
If the airport was responsible, they'd investigate and shitcan the folks who screwed up but that's not the way things work in Canada.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:45 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
Nothing happens to them.
If the airport was responsible, they'd investigate and shitcan the folks who screwed up but that's not the way things work in Canada.

Then why blame the cops for doing their job? Let me rephrase... Why even TRY to blame the cops for doing their jobs?
That could have been prevented, imo...


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:01 pm
 


Please read my earlier posts.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:07 pm
 


I was not specifically refering to you or your posts, but to the fact these cops were under investigation.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:50 am
 


RUEZ RUEZ:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Make no doubt about it--the cops run Vancouver. It's been one disgrace after another for years int he Lower Mainland and everyone is too gutless to take them on--most particularly other cops. Then again, consider that some guy in Vancouver who stabbed a guy in his car about fifty times just got--wait for it--FIVE years. I guess we a shouldn't be too surprsied.

Remeber Harper getting tough on crime? Whatta joke.
That's funny that you would mention Harper in your little diatribe. What about the years of Liberal rule in which there was no mention of tougher penalties. But naturally you go after the guy that was in power less then three years but wants to make criminals pay more for their crime. Would you rather a Liberal government that doesn't think their is a problem?


I'd rather have a goverrnment that was focussed on governing the country, not trying to politically eradicate the Opposition. Get this through your thick head--the Liberals are gone now. They are not in power. The Conservatives are. They're going to have to come up wiht a little bit better strategy than "Blame the Liberals." When you are in power you are expected to govern, not just sit around and blame the world's problems on everyone else.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:00 am
 


Dayseed Dayseed:
I am a cop and I love cops and will defend them even if they do things that are wrong. I think I'm the king of the heap because I have a ill earned badge and have been on the force for at least 2 years. I still hear the academy ringing in my ears "Cops do no harm" "Cops do no harm" "Citizens have no rights" "Citizen, the ones that pay my salary, have no rights"



Well said Dayseed, couldnt have said it better myself.

*Sees cop lovers have arrived*


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:54 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
I don't know where you're going with this Dayseed but it's not very convincing.
Sure, we can't tell the whole story from that video but then we're damned lucky we had that video or none of us would even be talking about this now.


Here's where I'm going. You said that the police acted like goons. Are you judging them based on the outcome or on what they perceived as they came to the call? Whether or not you're being equitable or a Monday morning quarterback, which is admittedly at least better than Robair and his Ignorance Crusade, makes a world of difference.

Also, what makes it unconvincing that you're judging them by outcome not perceived situation? I'd like to see your answer to that one too.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:23 pm
 


Robair Robair:
Lost what? You managed to prove that you hadn't even watched the video before making up your mind.

Carry on. You certainly aren't about to change my mind, doesn't sound like you are convincing anybody else either.


Oh, I kicked your sorry ass nine ways from Sunday. Besides, for somebody in your ignorant position, I wouldn't even begin to comment on making up minds. And I don't have to convince you; if your trademark ignorant emotional blather held up to anything, the Crown would have laid charges. After all, they're the ones who were in possession of ALL the evidence (which apparently doesn't factor into your judgement process) and they're the ones who determined that the totality of the circumstances weighed in the RCMP's favour. But I'm sure they got it wrong and you, an ignorant junior detective, managed to piece together the full answer from half the evidence.

So go ahead, rationalize how the Crown got it wrong, but you got it right. There's your convincing Robair.

It must frost your balls to know that I was so right even BEFORE Crown weighed in too huh?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:33 pm
 


Here are the salient questions that uwish didn't answer in his rush to be stupid. I'll highlight them for everybody because I'm merciful.

Me Me:
You know that tasers aren't standard issue, right? In Toronto, I haven't seen one Constable with a taser strapped to their side; just the higher ranks. So, if they're going to bring along a taser TO A CALL OF A VIOLENT MAN GOING APESHIT IN A TERMINAL, they'd better decide who's going to use it.


Ah yes, old uwish certainly wished to avoid having to deal with Dziekanski's violent behaviour. Hard to blame the cops when a violent man is going apeshit.

$1:
I see a man throw his arms up in an aggressive "Don't fucking come near me" gesture. If you see a man surrendering, you're wrong. A violent man who pulls away from the police deserves the taser.


Another good point by me. Here I am setting up uwish. I've categorized his "surrender" as what it really is, an aggressive combative stance towards the police. It dovetails nicely into my future point about the use of force wheel. Don't worry folks, uwish fucked up nicely there too!

$1:
Well, if you're inventing charges that don't exist in the Criminal Code, sure! Why not heap on Electrical Mayhem? Because what you posted is actually called 2nd Degree Murder. Fuck me, are you representative of the public? I hope not.


Uwish is big on not accepting his faults. Look at this point by me. He's so damn ignorant, he accuses the police of murder, but fails to realize that murder is a crime, so he invents a different name for murder. And then botches the whole thing nicely by forgetting the Crown wouldn't go for his Crime of a Thousand Names.

$1:
Hey chump, here's the use of force wheel I found on the RCMP website!

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They can use the taser you dipshit! Thanks for embarassing yourself!


And here's where it gets downright ugly for uwish. You'll want to get yourself cozy for this humbling read of uwish!

$1:
perhaps you haven't seen nor read the latest RCMP guidelines for use of impact device, that nice diagram of yours is a bit out of date.


Uwish can't be bothered to prove there's a new use of force wheel. Is there one? Well, the RCMP certainly hasn't troubled themselves to post it if there is. Secondly, even if uwish is correct that there's a new wheel, he forgets a terribly salient point:

THAT'S THE WHEEL THE RCMP WAS USING WHEN THE TASERING OCCURRED!

Somehow, we are to dismiss the training the RCMP had at the time and instead impose upon them new standards retroactively. Well, in uwish land this may be accepted practice, but in the real world, it's punitive and flies in the face of established jurisprudence. But why let facts get in the way of uwish's points? He certainly doesn't!

$1:
and the only one who is embarrassing himself on here is you...learn how to spell it first. :roll:


And here we have his last tortured bit of self-crapulence. He found one spelling mistake by your's truly, but in his haste to be an idiot, forgets that he routinely forgoes punctuation, grammar and spelling. Yup, nothing like being told you have a crumb on your jacket from somebody wallowing in his own filth and shit.

Take care uwish! I'll be here again and again. Tell Robair too. He needs to hear things repeatedly to help them sink in; he's like an I Am Sam full-retard.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:38 pm
 


acidcomplex acidcomplex:
Dayseed Dayseed:
I am a cop and I love cops and will defend them even if they do things that are wrong. I think I'm the king of the heap because I have a ill earned badge and have been on the force for at least 2 years. I still hear the academy ringing in my ears "Cops do no harm" "Cops do no harm" "Citizens have no rights" "Citizen, the ones that pay my salary, have no rights"



Well said Dayseed, couldnt have said it better myself.

*Sees cop lovers have arrived*


Again, if I'm so wrong, why didn't the Crown lay charges? If you're so right, it should have been a slam-dunk for the Crown. They're under waaaaay more pressure from those of us that want to see the cops charged than those of us that don't. They could have easily caved, but they didn't.

Go ahead, rationalize that one.

Thanks for recognizing that I'm the King of the Heap. It's nice to hear from the peons on the ground.


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