Read the journal entries on global cooling and how earth is likely on the verge of another ice age.
"And if you play the tape in slow motion backwwards, your honour, you can see the officers are actually trying to help Rodney King up."
Temperature reocord reconstructed for the past 1000 years
That's the IPCC graph, isn't it? It's critiqued Here
As you know there's another much critiqued graph the other side of the argument uses to show a longer time period. The one from the Loehle multi-proxy study. It shows something quite different.
$1:
Instrumental Temperature for the past 150 years
And that looks dramatic, but really all you're showing there is a long term rise over 150 years of about 0.7 of a degree. So what?
Here's another graph from the satellite record to 2008 averaged out in a different way, and you kind of lose your Wow factor, don't you?
As far as the melting in the arctic goes here's a collection of continuously updating graphs showing sea extent for this year against what happened in previous. Draw your own conclusions.
would you like me to check for a few more days with snow...asshole
WTF...you are such a retard.
Tell you what, scroll back through a couple of my posts and you'll see I admitted it snowed this year, but all melted that very same day. Perhaps I should have said accumulations (as in snow that stays for the season) but I simply thought that was too far above your elementary school education to figure out...after all, you're running around saying Edmonton and Leduc are the same place...
I also said it rained in February, not January...learn to read you illiterate moron.
What's your weather like today? +6 here in Edmonton, just like yesterday...not a flake anywhere to be found. Asshat, I'll snap some pics tonight and tomorrow and upload them for you if you really need proof there's no snow here
N_Fiddledog
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:56 pm
I couldn't be bothered myself, but if you two want to solve the question of what the Alberta climate has been doing, there's this nifty looking little program you appear to be able to download from the University of Alberta Here
Zipperfish
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:10 pm
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
That's the IPCC graph, isn't it? It's critiqued Here
As you know there's another much critiqued graph the other side of the argument uses to show a longer time period. The one from the Loehle multi-proxy study. It shows something quite different.
$1:
Instrumental Temperature for the past 150 years
And that looks dramatic, but really all you're showing there is a long term rise over 150 years of about 0.7 of a degree. So what.
Here's another graph from the satellite record to 2008 averaged out in a different way, showing a different scale, and you kind of lose your Wow factor, don't you?
As far as the melting in the arctic goes here's a collection of continuously updating graphs showing sea extent for this year against what happened in previous. Draw your own conclusions.
I think even wiht the grpahs you posted it's a little silly to say we're heading for an imminent ice age.
PluggyRug
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:46 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
I think even wiht the grpahs you posted it's a little silly to say we're heading for an imminent ice age.
Likewise heading for imminent global tropics. Weather patterns are shifting, that much is obvious. Some area's warmer, some colder. The lake I live close to is frozen, the earliest in 20 years.
mtbr
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:26 pm
bootlegga bootlegga:
WTF...you are such a retard.
Tell you what, scroll back through a couple of my posts and you'll see I admitted it snowed this year, but all melted that very same day. Perhaps I should have said accumulations (as in snow that stays for the season) but I simply thought that was too far above your elementary school education to figure out...after all, you're running around saying Edmonton and Leduc are the same place...
I also said it rained in February, not January...learn to read you illiterate moron.
What's your weather like today? +6 here in Edmonton, just like yesterday...not a flake anywhere to be found. Asshat, I'll snap some pics tonight and tomorrow and upload them for you if you really need proof there's no snow here
retard?
I never said Edmonton and Leduc are the same place liar..
I scrolled back...this is what you wrote
Check the City's traffic cams jamroll, see any snow, anywhere in Edmonton...nah didn't think so...that's because we haven't got any (unless you count trace amounts last Thursday that melted by lunchtime).
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it snowed Nov 10 did you bother to read my posts...not last week but Nov 10 read the data...maybe you should spend less on the insults and more on the substance. here's your first post word for word..
"But Zip, don't you know those graphs are socialist propaganda!
I don't know whether mankind is behind the changes or not, but it is getting warmer, at least in Edmonton. I've lived here for almost four decades and NEVER seen rain in February, but we got that this year. Edmonton STILL doesn't have a lick of snow, and it's almost November. To top it off, it's still above zero here and some of the grass is still green if you can believe it.
I know one year does not a change make, but it's been getting worse (or better if you hate the cold/snow) each year since I got back from overseas in 2001.Hell, the last couple of years we didn't even gt snow in early May, which used to always happen. Winter takes longer to get here and the snow is gone quicker each spring.
Deny it if you want, but the climate is changing. I'll be the first to admit I'm not enough of a scientist to know exactly what, but change is afoot."
funny how your posts have changed as I proved you're a liar...or at least an idiot with a short memory
you had snow the first week of November this year(and last Thursday according to you)..and I'm sure you had snow on the ground at the beginning of last May because of the lovely weather you had at the end of April. Is it a short memory or is a selective memory. Maybe it's Alzheimer's.
N_Fiddledog
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:30 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
I think even wiht the grpahs you posted it's a little silly to say we're heading for an imminent ice age.
Say what? Who said anything about an imminent ice age? I know I didn't.
Edit
Oh wait...Ok I see it, the one 2 pages back, right? That's why you posted the tricky graphs which appeared to suggest radical warming. No, it wasn't my intent to show cause for alarm either from cooling, or warming. The contrary actually.
On the other hand...and now that you mention it...the coolers do seem to have as much reason to fear as the warmers do. There might be as much actual evidence for a coming catastrophic cooling as there is for a coming catastrophe of warming. Maybe even more. Which is to say, not much at this time.
ziggy
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:31 am
well if you really want to judge the worlds climate by how the lake next door froze over earlier then the last 20 years then environment canada has records going back to the 40's for literally everywhere that there was an airport or weather station.
Coldest day/year,warmest,wettest,highest windchill,most precipitation in a day,month,year,etc.
It's all there if someone wants to check out bragging rights for their local weather the last 20 or so years.
Biblesmasher
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:51 am
What silliness this "debate" is. Most climate scientists(you know the guys with degrees that actually study this shit everyday for decades, as opposed to sitting around listening to bloviating clowns on the radio) agree that climate change is most likely caused by man. I think Ill go with the majority of experts and the odds on this one. You dont need a medical degree to know that if most neurosurgeons say you require surgery then you suck it up and get the surgery. Where Im from, real men identify a problem and then solve it and then its done. They dont sit around whining like five yr olds..."boohoohooooo I dont want to adjust my life...boohoohoo...Its too haaaard...waaaaaaa". Please.
stratos
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:04 am
Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:
What silliness this "debate" is. Most climate scientists(you know the guys with degrees that actually study this shit everyday for decades, as opposed to sitting around listening to bloviating clowns on the radio) agree that climate change is most likely caused by man. I think Ill go with the majority of experts and the odds on this one. You dont need a medical degree to know that if most neurosurgeons say you require surgery then you suck it up and get the surgery. Where Im from, real men identify a problem and then solve it and then its done. They dont sit around whining like five yr olds..."boohoohooooo I dont want to adjust my life...boohoohoo...Its too haaaard...waaaaaaa". Please.
And these same scientists 20-30yrs ago said we were heading for a new Iceage and needed to do something about it. Well we did so lets pat ourselfs on the back
mtbr
Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:27 am
Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:
What silliness this "debate" is. Most climate scientists(you know the guys with degrees that actually study this shit everyday for decades, as opposed to sitting around listening to bloviating clowns on the radio) agree that climate change is most likely caused by man. I think Ill go with the majority of experts and the odds on this one. You dont need a medical degree to know that if most neurosurgeons say you require surgery then you suck it up and get the surgery. Where Im from, real men identify a problem and then solve it and then its done. They dont sit around whining like five yr olds..."boohoohooooo I dont want to adjust my life...boohoohoo...Its too haaaard...waaaaaaa". Please.
scarecrowe
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:02 am
Many scientist receive funding for research from...you guessed it, you and me and they have a vested interest to show that humans have an influence on climate change. Considering that the total energy (electrical/fuels/etc.) output of the planet on a given day is a miniscule amount when compared to the energy received from the sun on a daily basis. Human activity is far over-rated.
Climate change is not caused by humans, but by natural forces, Patterson says.
. People will say the damnedest things for money. On what side is the money today and who would get paid more?
Biblesmasher
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:21 am
stratos stratos:
Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:
What silliness this "debate" is. Most climate scientists(you know the guys with degrees that actually study this shit everyday for decades, as opposed to sitting around listening to bloviating clowns on the radio) agree that climate change is most likely caused by man. I think Ill go with the majority of experts and the odds on this one. You dont need a medical degree to know that if most neurosurgeons say you require surgery then you suck it up and get the surgery. Where Im from, real men identify a problem and then solve it and then its done. They dont sit around whining like five yr olds..."boohoohooooo I dont want to adjust my life...boohoohoo...Its too haaaard...waaaaaaa". Please.
And these same scientists 20-30yrs ago said we were heading for a new Iceage and needed to do something about it. Well we did so lets pat ourselfs on the back
Lets put that myth to bed shall we...
"these same scientists" were actually predominantly newsweek, Time etc reporting the FACT that there was current cooling. And about 6 or 7 scientific papers predicted the cooling would continue. Now before we get too excited... lets guess how many scientific papers predicted WARMING after 3 decades of recorded cooling... 42. Thats right, the vast majority of peer reviewed scientific papers were predicting global warming in the midst of a cooling trend all the way back in the 70's...Lol.
Biblesmasher
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:24 am
mtbr mtbr:
Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:
What silliness this "debate" is. Most climate scientists(you know the guys with degrees that actually study this shit everyday for decades, as opposed to sitting around listening to bloviating clowns on the radio) agree that climate change is most likely caused by man. I think Ill go with the majority of experts and the odds on this one. You dont need a medical degree to know that if most neurosurgeons say you require surgery then you suck it up and get the surgery. Where Im from, real men identify a problem and then solve it and then its done. They dont sit around whining like five yr olds..."boohoohooooo I dont want to adjust my life...boohoohoo...Its too haaaard...waaaaaaa". Please.
Less time finding cute pics to post, more time actually learning. It helps.
bootlegga
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:26 am
mtbr mtbr:
retard?
I never said Edmonton and Leduc are the same place liar..
No, but you inferred it by saying that a snowstorm that hit Leduc must have hit Edmonton;
Spring snowstorm slams northern Alberta Greyhound bus slides off highway near Leduc; no one injured
must have made a circle around Edmonton though
If you didn't mean that, then it's time for a remedial writing course, because that's the way it sounds!
Strike one!
mtbr mtbr:
I scrolled back...this is what you wrote
$1:
Check the City's traffic cams jamroll, see any snow, anywhere in Edmonton...nah didn't think so...that's because we haven't got any (unless you count trace amounts last Thursday that melted by lunchtime).
Sounds like I just said it snowed but melted the same day...strike two!
mtbr mtbr:
it snowed Nov 10 did you bother to read my posts...not last week but Nov 10 read the data...maybe you should spend less on the insults and more on the substance. here's your first post word for word..
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"But Zip, don't you know those graphs are socialist propaganda!
I don't know whether mankind is behind the changes or not, but it is getting warmer, at least in Edmonton. I've lived here for almost four decades and NEVER seen rain in February, but we got that this year. Edmonton STILL doesn't have a lick of snow, and it's almost November. To top it off, it's still above zero here and some of the grass is still green if you can believe it.
I know one year does not a change make, but it's been getting worse (or better if you hate the cold/snow) each year since I got back from overseas in 2001.Hell, the last couple of years [b]we didn't even gt snow in early May, which used to always happen.[/b] Winter takes longer to get here and the snow is gone quicker each spring.
Deny it if you want, but the climate is changing. I'll be the first to admit I'm not enough of a scientist to know exactly what, but change is afoot."
funny how your posts have changed as I proved you're a liar...or at least an idiot with a short memory
you had snow the first week of November this year(and last Thursday according to you)..and I'm sure you had snow on the ground at the beginning of last May because of the lovely weather you had at the end of April. Is it a short memory or is a selective memory. Maybe it's Alzheimer's.
I never said anything about snow on the ground, I said we didn't get snow, as in no snowfall. Anyone who lived in Edmonton for a long time knows that we get snowfall in May. It may be a big dump or a light dusting that melts in a day or two, but it always comes. Whether it's May 1st or May 15th, we expect to get it...which is why no one in Edmonton ever plants their garden before the May long weekend...but you would already know that from your father-in-law in Beaumont right?
Maybe I got the date wrong of the first snowfall...sue me.
BTW, Nov 10th? I think you've got Alzheimers too...
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