[scarecrowe]

Obama's not going to do any more damage than McGoofy has already done ... 8% PST ... disproportionally high corporate tax rates ... sky high energy costs driving the pulp and paper industry away to SC where it is cheap ... supplemental health tax for 2nd rate service and the longest wait times to see medical specialists in the Western World ... a post-secondary educational system that turns out an extremely high number of unemployable graduates ...
.... and what does he do to "solve" the issue? He says, "steel yourself."

[stemmer]

I really don't know what to do about the economy, terrorism or global warming... BUT one thing I do know is when times are tough you stand behind your family, you support your community, nation comes first...

We must adopt the mindset of nations like Japan and Germany.... and stop being harlots...

[mtbr]

stemmer stemmer:

I really don't know what to do about the economy, terrorism or global warming... BUT one thing I do know is when times are tough you stand behind your family, you support your community, nation comes first...

We must adopt the mindset of nations like Japan and Germany.... and stop being harlots...

and force everybody to drive crappy cars that they don't want

like Germans drive their VW's.

and a few stupid people from Edmonton who are paying 1.15 for diesel

[stemmer]

IF we follow down the current path we will lose our nation's sovereignty... I am not a fan of globalization, especially when countries like Japan do not practise fair trade policies....

If my folks operated a corner store WHY would I not purchase my bread & milk from them? Why would I purchase from a store operated by strangers?

We must STOP our dependency not only on foreign oil but on foreign products...

In the 1960's JFK said "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" (not verbatim - going from memory).... It is time for people of today to step up to the plate and salvage what we have left remaining of a nation...

Wake up North America we are enaged in economic warfare....this is the new Pearl Harbour...

Continue on the current path and it will be the dissolution of the middle class in North America.... How can our wages compete on the global stage without a reduction in the standard of living of the average North American....????


Please stop being harlots....

[stemmer]

It appears the Detroit Three melt down also worries Honda and Toyota...

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=954380

$1:

Detroit meltdown' worries Toyota, Honda

; Supply Threat

Nicolas Van Praet And Alia McMullen, Financial Post Published: Thursday, November 13, 2008

Japanese automakers Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda MotorCo. say they are "very concerned" about the potential failure of Detroit's three car companies as analysts warn a bankruptcy would throw the entire auto supply base into chaos and rattle the operations of even the most profitable manufacturers.

The comments came as Canada's Finance Minister, Jim Flaherty, yesterday said some residents in his Ontario riding of Whitby-Oshawa, home to the Canadian headquarters and main assembly factories of General Motors Corp., don't want the government to hand GM and other Detroit automakers a bailout.

"We're very concerned" about a Detroit meltdown, said Mike Goss, spokesman for Toyota Motor Engineering &Manufacturing North America Inc. "In the past couple of days I've been asked 'Wouldn't it be great for Toyota if others fail?' We think the opposite is true."

The vehicles Toyota builds in North America contain an average of 75% domestically sourced parts and systems, and Toyota is reliant on many of the same suppliers used by GM, Ford Motor Co. or Chrysler LLC, Mr. Goss said.

The Japanese automakers are working to identify which suppliers have the biggest exposure to the Detroit firms.

They are also developing emergency plans in the event they need to replace a company providing them with parts. "Everything's on the table about what we might have to do," Mr. Goss said.

Should one or more of the Detroit three go bankrupt next year, all U. S. automotive operations, including those of the so-called new domestic manufacturers like Honda and Nissan MotorCo., will be paralyzed for at least one year because of the high likelihood many suppliers will run out of money, according to an analysis by the Center for Automotive Research, a think-tank based in Michigan.

"We expect a major wave in supplier bankruptcies or a 'supplier shock,' " the analysis said.

North America's roughly 6,000 auto suppliers are already under severe pressure from a collapse in U. S. sales of cars and trucks to 25-year lows, which has forced the Detroit automakers to cut output in the face of lower demand. Ford MotorCo. said yesterday it will temporarily shut down nine of its plants continent-wide this quarter as it builds 211,000 fewer vehicles than a year earlier, including Ontario assembly factories in Oakville and St. Thomas.

"We're very concerned" about maintaining the stability of the supply base, said Edward Miller, spokesman for American Honda Motor Co. "Obviously this is very disruptive."

Mr. Flaherty said he expects U. S. lawmakers to craft a proposal for a rescue of the U. S. auto industry after GM warned last week it may not have enough cash to fund operations past this year amid a credit crisis. Discussions so far have centred around a bridge-loan package worth US$25-billion, in addition to US$25-billion worth of separate loans already approved to help the Big Three build more fuel-efficient vehicles.

"Economically, GM may prove too big to ignore simply because of the implications for not just employees, but also retirees and all the supplier companies if it was to collapse," said Nigel Gault, chief U. S. economist for IHS Global Insight Inc., an economic-analysis firm

Investors bet yesterday a bailout would go ahead, pushing up shares of GM by as much as 23% and Ford shares by as much as 11%.

Many Canadians say the federal government should do something to help the auto sector, Mr. Flaherty acknowledged at an economic conference in Toronto. "[But] there are lots of people that say, 'Don't do anything. Don't use my tax money to bail out an enterprise that may not survive.' " He added the views are not coming from rich constituents but "people on the street."

Mr. Flaherty said any aid Canada would offer would be for "transformational" support. "If we are going to do something, [we need] to find a way to ensure the sustain-ability, survivability, a product mix that is going to have profit here in Canada."

Henry Paulson, the U. S. Treasury Secretary, said yesterday automakers are a key part of the United States' manufacturing base but that any effort by government to rescue them "has got to be one that leads to viability."

Mr. Paulson is resisting pressure by Democratic lawmakers in the United States to use the US$700-billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, a bailout fund aimed at banks, to help Detroit.

[mtbr]

Nice editing there old man



"Japanese automakers Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda MotorCo. say they are "very concerned" about the potential failure of Detroit's three car companies as analysts warn a bankruptcy would throw the entire auto supply base into chaos and rattle the operations of even the most profitable manufacturers."

the big three are dragging everyone down with their crap.



meanwhile



http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=853181

Toyota setting sales records in Canada's slumping market.

Toyota Canada Inc. reported its ninth straight monthly sales record Wednesday, defying a Canadian auto retail market that has been softening overall.

Ford sales drop 34%




Toyota sold 14.9% more vehicles in September compared with last year

[stemmer]

I have the perfect solution for you... Move to Japan as it appears your loyalty to a Japanese corporation is of more value to you then your own Canadian citizenship....

The Detroit Three vs Honda/Toyota is not one of quality, it is one of a political issue.... Please wake up and smell the roses... We should be outraged that unfair trade practises by countries like Japan has put our North American companies at an unfair disadvantage...

[mtbr]

stemmer stemmer:

I have the perfect solution for you... Move to Japan as it appears your loyalty to a Japanese corporation is of more value to you then your own Canadian citizenship....

The Detroit Three vs Honda/Toyota is not one of quality, it is one of a political issue.... Please wake up and smell the roses... We should be outraged that unfair trade practises by countries like Japan has put our North American companies at an unfair disadvantage...

no need to move all those great Japanese products are available here and built all around the world.

Samsung, Sony..Nikon.....How many do you own?

[stemmer]

I know they are available here... But my question to you what North American products are allowed into Japan...???

For decades the USA subsidized the defense of the free world and now is not allowed to subsidize it's own corporations.... It's trade is unbalanced due to consumer greed for cheaper products and North American corporations complying by farming jobs overseas...

[mtbr]

stemmer stemmer:

I know they are available here... But my question to you what North American products are allowed into Japan...???

.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A967958260

"Though Japan is the second-biggest economy in the industrialized world, said William J. Best, vice president and managing director of A. T. Kearney International Inc., "it is amazing to me when you talk to American companies back home how little they still know about the Japanese market. Japan is still not on the agenda." How Tokyo Might React"

and the killer ...

"Many companies still refuse to modify their products for Japanese tastes -- the American auto makers were a frequently cited example -- because of the costs entailed. About half said that a big problem was Japan's strict product-quality requirements."

[stemmer]

Globalization and liberal trade policies are killing manufacturing in North America... Do you really want your children or grandchildren to have careers in call centres?

[MacDonaill]

stemmer stemmer:

IF we follow down the current path we will lose our nation's sovereignty... I am not a fan of globalization, especially when countries like Japan do not practise fair trade policies....

If my folks operated a corner store WHY would I not purchase my bread & milk from them? Why would I purchase from a store operated by strangers?

We must STOP our dependency not only on foreign oil but on foreign products...

In the 1960's JFK said "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" (not verbatim - going from memory).... It is time for people of today to step up to the plate and salvage what we have left remaining of a nation...

Wake up North America we are enaged in economic warfare....this is the new Pearl Harbour...

Continue on the current path and it will be the dissolution of the middle class in North America.... How can our wages compete on the global stage without a reduction in the standard of living of the average North American....????


Please stop being harlots....

I agree, but I don't care about 'North America'. That is not my country. It's Canada plain and simple, and if you don't think the Americans are looking out for number one only, and that they care about Canada's economic health, you're fooling yourself. Canadians need to look out for Canada first and foremost.

[bootlegga]

stemmer stemmer:

I know they are available here... But my question to you what North American products are allowed into Japan...???

For decades the USA subsidized the defense of the free world and now is not allowed to subsidize it's own corporations.... It's trade is unbalanced due to consumer greed for cheaper products and North American corporations complying by farming jobs overseas...

First things first, have you ever been to Japan?

I have and there are plenty of North American companies operating there, Nortel, Ford, GM, Microsoft, you name it, they are there. As was discussed in the Chinese Pop Music thread a few weeks ago, Japanese people love American culture and technology. They embrace it and use it all the time. McDonald's, 7/11, Coca-Cola, and plenty of other US companies are a huge part of the market.

One of the biggest reasons for the Big 3s lack of success in Japan is that there cars are way too big to drive on the narrow roads in most places. Tokyo, Osaka, a few other big cities have roads big enough for Trans Ams and Navigators, but once you get into the smaller cities and towns, the roads are one lane in each direction (sometimes just one lane with alternating traffic) and those huge cars are impossible to drive down those narrow lanes, park in parking lots and turn those tight corners.

Another big problem is most of them are gas guzzlers. I lived there almost a decade ago, and gas then was almost $1.40 litre (for the cheapest grade). I can't even begin to imagine what it costs now. If you are a Japanese consumer, which will you pick, the giant SUV that costs $150 a week to fill, is a nightmare to drive and park, and costs a fortune when it breaks down, or the small 4 cylinder Toyota Yaris which is small, affordable to operate and easy to drive/park?

When I lived there, one of my co-workers bought a GM Astro Van (because he liked the power and it was big enough for his surfboard), but parts cost a bloody fortune and driving and parking it were a nightmare for him. After a few months, he sold it and bought a Nissan.

American cars don't fair well in the Japanese market because US manufacturers won't build cars for the market (or can't make a profit selling the Ford Focus). Unlike North America, most of the world drives smaller, cheaper cars to run and maintain, not giant pick-ups and SUVs. Detroit knew our market very well, but doesn't know very much about operating in Asia.

[Tricks]

stemmer stemmer:

I have the perfect solution for you... Move to Japan as it appears your loyalty to a Japanese corporation is of more value to you then your own Canadian citizenship....

Perhaps it's a matter of preference, and for too long the big three failed at making cars?

[hurley_108]

bootlegga bootlegga:

stemmer stemmer:

I know they are available here... But my question to you what North American products are allowed into Japan...???

For decades the USA subsidized the defense of the free world and now is not allowed to subsidize it's own corporations.... It's trade is unbalanced due to consumer greed for cheaper products and North American corporations complying by farming jobs overseas...

First things first, have you ever been to Japan?

I have and there are plenty of North American companies operating there, Nortel, Ford, GM, Microsoft, you name it, they are there. As was discussed in the Chinese Pop Music thread a few weeks ago, Japanese people love American culture and technology. They embrace it and use it all the time. McDonald's, 7/11, Coca-Cola, and plenty of other US companies are a huge part of the market.

One of the biggest reasons for the Big 3s lack of success in Japan is that there cars are way too big to drive on the narrow roads in most places. Tokyo, Osaka, a few other big cities have roads big enough for Trans Ams and Navigators, but once you get into the smaller cities and towns, the roads are one lane in each direction (sometimes just one lane with alternating traffic) and those huge cars are impossible to drive down those narrow lanes, park in parking lots and turn those tight corners.

Another big problem is most of them are gas guzzlers. I lived there almost a decade ago, and gas then was almost $1.40 litre (for the cheapest grade). I can't even begin to imagine what it costs now. If you are a Japanese consumer, which will you pick, the giant SUV that costs $150 a week to fill, is a nightmare to drive and park, and costs a fortune when it breaks down, or the small 4 cylinder Toyota Yaris which is small, affordable to operate and easy to drive/park?

When I lived there, one of my co-workers bought a GM Astro Van (because he liked the power and it was big enough for his surfboard), but parts cost a bloody fortune and driving and parking it were a nightmare for him. After a few months, he sold it and bought a Nissan.

American cars don't fair well in the Japanese market because US manufacturers won't build cars for the market (or can't make a profit selling the Ford Focus). Unlike North America, most of the world drives smaller, cheaper cars to run and maintain, not giant pick-ups and SUVs. Detroit knew our market very well, but doesn't know very much about operating in Asia.

Boot layeth the smacketh down on stemmer's candy ass...