[BartSimpson]

Brenda Brenda:

So what you are saying, Bart, is that the Californians are too shallow to see what it really means, and have just a couple of incidents brainwash them...

Californians did see what it meant. In particular, Latino and African-American Democrats did because they were the swing vote on this Proposition.

Or are you saying that Latinos and blacks are shallow and stupid?

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

So what you are saying, Bart, is that the Californians are too shallow to see what it really means, and have just a couple of incidents brainwash them...

Californians did see what it meant. In particular, Latino and African-American Democrats did because they were the swing vote on this Proposition.

Or are you saying that Latinos and blacks are shallow and stupid?

Anybody who votes against legalizing same-sex marriage is shallow and stupid be they black, latino, white, or blue with purple polka dots.

[simjanes2k]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Brenda Brenda:

So what you are saying, Bart, is that the Californians are too shallow to see what it really means, and have just a couple of incidents brainwash them...

Californians did see what it meant. In particular, Latino and African-American Democrats did because they were the swing vote on this Proposition.

Or are you saying that Latinos and blacks are shallow and stupid?

Anybody who votes against legalizing same-sex marriage is shallow and stupid be they black, latino, white, or blue with purple polka dots.

Anyone who thinks same-sex marriage is a clear-cut issue with an obvious solution when it's being voted down all over the place is at LEAST stupid. Maybe shallow too, but I can't confirm it.

[simjanes2k]

lily lily:

simjanes2k simjanes2k:

Anyone who thinks same-sex marriage is a clear-cut issue with an obvious solution when it's being voted down all over the place is at LEAST stupid. Maybe shallow too, but I can't confirm it.

Give me one good reason why same sex couples shouldn't be allowed to marry.

The Bible says they shouldn't. We are a Christian country with Christian laws.

/thread?

[BartSimpson]

lily lily:

simjanes2k simjanes2k:

Anyone who thinks same-sex marriage is a clear-cut issue with an obvious solution when it's being voted down all over the place is at LEAST stupid. Maybe shallow too, but I can't confirm it.

Give me one good reason why same sex couples shouldn't be allowed to marry.

Give me one good reason why what goes on in Bountiful shouldn't be allowed?

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

lily lily:

simjanes2k simjanes2k:

Anyone who thinks same-sex marriage is a clear-cut issue with an obvious solution when it's being voted down all over the place is at LEAST stupid. Maybe shallow too, but I can't confirm it.

Give me one good reason why same sex couples shouldn't be allowed to marry.

Give me one good reason why what goes on in Bountiful shouldn't be allowed?

Dodge.

[BartSimpson]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Dodge.

Not at all. We're applying our moral convictions to gay marriage and you folks apply your moral convictions to multiple marriage. I see little difference at all.

[bootlegga]

simjanes2k simjanes2k:

Anyone who thinks same-sex marriage is a clear-cut issue with an obvious solution when it's being voted down all over the place is at LEAST stupid. Maybe shallow too, but I can't confirm it.

Ahhh, but it hasn't been voted down all over the place. Massachusetts and Connecticut both allow it. Plenty of other jurisdictions (Belgium, Canada, Netherlands, Norway, and South Africa to name a few) around the world allow it too.

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

Dodge.

Not at all. We're applying our moral convictions to gay marriage and you folks apply your moral convictions to multiple marriage. I see little difference at all.

Well then you're blind.

[simjanes2k]

lily lily:

I asked for a *good* reason.

Try again.

I can't help but laugh in real life. Give me any reason that has been more used throughout history to guide mankind than religion.

Also, please specify what is wrong with the reasoning. Christian nation makes Christian laws. More at 11?

[Mustang1]

lily lily:

simjanes2k simjanes2k:

Anyone who thinks same-sex marriage is a clear-cut issue with an obvious solution when it's being voted down all over the place is at LEAST stupid. Maybe shallow too, but I can't confirm it.

Give me one good reason why same sex couples shouldn't be allowed to marry.

I agree...I'll be interested to see how the detractors deal with it

[simjanes2k]

lily lily:

I'm very serious here. Give me one good reason why SSMs shouldn't be allowed. "Because it's against my religion" is NOT a good reason.

I already did. In fact I just started typing up about three more, but I'll hold them until you can stick to one point at a time. The best and most COMMON reason people are against gay marriage is because of religion. That is not only a good reason, it's pretty much the only one.

If you're searching for more, they are hard to find. Address the issue at hand before dismissing it, please.

[Zipperfish]

simjanes2k simjanes2k:

lily lily:

I asked for a *good* reason.

Try again.

I can't help but laugh in real life. Give me any reason that has been more used throughout history to guide mankind than religion.

Also, please specify what is wrong with the reasoning. Christian nation makes Christian laws. More at 11?

Well actually, the Bible instructs its followers to kill male homosexuals. So I think that's what's wrong with the reasoning.

[hurley_108]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Give me one good reason why what goes on in Bountiful shouldn't be allowed?

But to play ball, here's why it's different.

Firstly, it's noteworthy that you can bring up polygamy without even using that word. You merely have to drop the name of some podunk little town in BC and everyone knows what you're talking about. Why? Because polygamy is that far out of the mainstream.

And why is it that far out of the mainstream? Because it's not about rights and equality, it's about power and subjugation. It's about a few men asserting control over a few more women, making themselves kings in their own nutshells. And that's not okay. Those men don't have the right to brainwash and lord over their wives (plural) and daughters. That "marriage" is a part of the way they assert their power doesn't make that issue equal to the issue of marriage in the context of same-sex couples.

With same-sex marriage, it is about equality. It's about two men or two women being equal to one man and one woman in the eyes of the law. It's about allowing same-sex couple all those great things that come with marriage without going through a whole circus of saying yes, you can have survivor benefits, and be named on each other's health plans, and all thos other things, but you can't call yourselves married.

The two issues are not the same.

[Brenda]

Excuse me Simjanes, but... aren't church and state seperated?
That makes your point invalid.

Then, The Netherlands, Belgium and the other countries mentioned are Christian countries to. Belgium is even Catholic. Makes your point completely bull. So, now a valid point please?