[dino_bobba_renno]

DerbyX DerbyX:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Well I don't ever remember yelling "DEFICIT!!" when the surplus fell from 20 billion to 18 billion. If you want to criticize how small the surplus is fine, same goes for the extremely un-conservative increase in spending but lets not get carried away predicting the end of Canada as we know it. Besides, I don't want to see ridiculously large surpluses. Large surpluses only mean one thing, the government took money from me that they really didn't need and that I could have personally made much better use of on things like bear and popcorn.

They yelled "robbery" for every surplus. Con supporters led the charge.

I'm not predicting the end of Canada.

The Libs saved us. Right up to and including the 2006 election the Liberals paid down the debt as the best option.

Harper did not.

Ergo he failed as an economist. He has brought us into deficit budget spending because you cannot count one time sales.

He reneged on so many military purchases.

In short he failed.

Too bad he's going to win the next election

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Harper pisses away a 14 billion surplus away and all you guys can say is what ......................?

WTF are you talking about, pissed away? You talk as if the money just magically disappeared off the face of the earth.

Where did it go?

I already posted tha the Libs dropped taxes every year and still managed surpluses which they put to debt.

Face it. The Liberals did very well economically.

[RUEZ]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Where did it go?

I already posted tha the Libs dropped taxes every year and still managed surpluses which they put to debt.

Face it. The Liberals did very well economically.

You're barking up the wrong tree, I have no problem with the Liberal fiscal policy. I believe I've told you that before.

[DerbyX]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Too bad he's going to win the next election

13 years of Liberal rule.

A 43 billion deficit converetd into a 20 billion surplus.

Comntinued liberal social beliefs held sway.

International presence.

A Canada we are proud of .....


Quite the legacy and worthy of praise.

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Where did it go?

I already posted tha the Libs dropped taxes every year and still managed surpluses which they put to debt.

Face it. The Liberals did very well economically.

You're barking up the wrong tree, I have no problem with the Liberal fiscal policy. I believe I've told you that before.

Then why did you ask where it went?

[RUEZ]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Then why did you ask where it went?

I didn't.

[robmik43]

Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:

yeah, I remember that. Every economist and accountant in the country said he cookin the books.

Every one, huh ?
Does all that creative writing ever wear you down ?

[Reverend Blair]

Well, every one but Harper. Since all of the working economists disagree with practically everything he says and does though, I doubt he's a very good economist.

[Toro]

Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:

Well, every one but Harper. Since all of the working economists disagree with practically everything he says and does though, I doubt he's a very good economist.

So, are the NDP going to raise the GST?

From an economics standpoint, it would certainly be a better alternative than raising corporate taxes.

Unless I missed something, why are the NDP going to raise corporate taxes and not the GST?

[DerbyX]

Toro Toro:

Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:

Well, every one but Harper. Since all of the working economists disagree with practically everything he says and does though, I doubt he's a very good economist.

So, are the NDP going to raise the GST?

From an economics standpoint, it would certainly be a better alternative than raising corporate taxes.

Unless I missed something, why are the NDP going to raise corporate taxes and not the GST?

Where will Harper get the money for his platform?

Taxes? Is he planning on holding a raffle? Why is it that so many right wing supporters jump up and point to the other political parties using tax money to fund their programs as if theirs weren't going to be?

Harper, in addition to continually promising more and more money for the military (promises he broke) has put forth a crime plan that he simply is not telling people how much it costs because he knows full well it will be expensive.

Where will that money come from? Is he planning on gutting healthcare? Education?

The NDP wants to fund social programs out of taxes paid by corporations but apparently the CPC thinks that everything can be paid for with monopoly money because they are going to do all that and lower taxes without running a deficit.

[mtbr]

DerbyX DerbyX:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Too bad he's going to win the next election

13 years of Liberal rule.

A 43 billion deficit converetd into a 20 billion surplus.

Comntinued liberal social beliefs held sway.

International presence.

A Canada we are proud of .....


Quite the legacy and worthy of praise.

yeah that's why Canadians will be proud

to rid Canada of the Liberal party.

[Reverend Blair]

$1:

So, are the NDP going to raise the GST?

From an economics standpoint, it would certainly be a better alternative than raising corporate taxes.

Unless I missed something, why are the NDP going to raise corporate taxes and not the GST?

Because Harper cut corporate taxes by $50 billion. Since Mulroney was in office, the overall tax burden has shifted massively from corporations to private individuals. What have they down with the money? They've shipped it overseas and given themselves obscene raises.

Time the corporations paid their fair share.

I think what you've missed mostly, Toro, is your humanity. You put corporate profits ahead of the well-being of people.

[quote]Where will Harper get the money for his platform?/quote]

He won't. He'll keep spending until it's all gone, then use that as an excuse to cut social programs and auction off public assets to his corporate pals. Then he'll retire to some million dollar board positions so can keep fucking us over with his political influence.

[Toro]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Toro Toro:

Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:

Well, every one but Harper. Since all of the working economists disagree with practically everything he says and does though, I doubt he's a very good economist.

So, are the NDP going to raise the GST?

From an economics standpoint, it would certainly be a better alternative than raising corporate taxes.

Unless I missed something, why are the NDP going to raise corporate taxes and not the GST?

Where will Harper get the money for his platform?

Taxes? Is he planning on holding a raffle? Why is it that so many right wing supporters jump up and point to the other political parties using tax money to fund their programs as if theirs weren't going to be?

Harper, in addition to continually promising more and more money for the military (promises he broke) has put forth a crime plan that he simply is not telling people how much it costs because he knows full well it will be expensive.

Where will that money come from? Is he planning on gutting healthcare? Education?

The NDP wants to fund social programs out of taxes paid by corporations but apparently the CPC thinks that everything can be paid for with monopoly money because they are going to do all that and lower taxes without running a deficit.

This coming from the Liberal Party of Eastern Canada that continually wants to screw the West with massive taxes on energy! Another massive tax grab at the expense of the West. Nothing new from the Liberal Party of Eastern Canada.

Good try on the spin and deflecting the issue. Answer the question. Blair said economists were against cutting the GST. If cutting the GST is a bad idea, are the Liberals and the NDP going to raise the GST? If not, why do they continue to pursue bad policies? Its kind of like the Liberals saying they'd scrap the GST in 1993 and abrogate the FTA. Did they? No, of course not. If its bad policy, why not reverse it?

Economists are generally against raising corporate taxes. It doesn't matter if it is used to pay for social programs. Economists generally say corporate taxes are bad. Its inefficient and destroys jobs. Instead, they'd argue to raise the GST. That's the criticism of Harper cutting the GST, right? Well, if we're going to invoke economists, let's be consistent. You want to pay for social programs? Raise the GST. But you guys won't.

Harper kept a campaign promise. And you'd be criticizing him for breaking a campaign promise if he'd said "Economists say its bad, so we're not going to cut the GST."

[Toro]

Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:

Because Harper cut corporate taxes by $50 billion. Since Mulroney was in office, the overall tax burden has shifted massively from corporations to private individuals. What have they down with the money? They've shipped it overseas and given themselves obscene raises.

Time the corporations paid their fair share.

I think what you've missed mostly, Toro, is your humanity. You put corporate profits ahead of the well-being of people.

Oh, I get it.

When the Tories pursue bad economics, you rail against it. When the NDP pursue bad economics, you say "fair share," even though raising corporate taxes hurts the less well off most!

http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhil ... ssive.html

[DerbyX]

Toro Toro:

This coming from the Liberal Party of Eastern Canada that continually wants to screw the West with massive taxes on energy! Another massive tax grab at the expense of the West. Nothing new from the Liberal Party of Eastern Canada.

Good try on the spin and deflecting the issue. Answer the question. Blair said economists were against cutting the GST. If cutting the GST is a bad idea, are the Liberals and the NDP going to raise the GST? If not, why do they continue to pursue bad policies? Its kind of like the Liberals saying they'd scrap the GST in 1993 and abrogate the FTA. Did they? No, of course not. If its bad policy, why not reverse it?

Economists are generally against raising corporate taxes. It doesn't matter if it is used to pay for social programs. Economists generally say corporate taxes are bad. Its inefficient and destroys jobs. Instead, they'd argue to raise the GST. That's the criticism of Harper cutting the GST, right? Well, if we're going to invoke economists, let's be consistent. You want to pay for social programs? Raise the GST. But you guys won't.

Harper kept a campaign promise. And you'd be criticizing him for breaking a campaign promise if he'd said "Economists say its bad, so we're not going to cut the GST."

Nice strawman argument but the Liberals favoured income tax and corporate tax cuts over the GST cuts. In fact they favoured deeper corp tax cuts then the CPC, a position they still hold.

Nowhere have the Liberals said they will raise the GST but that doesn't stop you guys from lying and saying they will does it?

Economists care little about social programs or any of the other neccesities that makes society livable. They care only about the bottom line and when their polices fail, like it has in the US, they come looking for a handout.

In fact the govt bails out corporations all the time when their buisness models fail. Airlines, drug companies, food industry, banking institutions, all get federal dollars when their buisnesses are about to go belly up following the very advice of those economist you just mentioned.

Don't try and bill it as benevolent conservatives with all the answers because Canada has witnessed Harpernomics blow the surplus and drive the economy into the ground without doing anything about it.

Forcing poor people to pay all the tax while corporations get a free pass and their CEOs get 10s of millions of dollars in golden handshakes after getting fired for driving the buiness into the ground is obscene when other families struggle to get by.

Thats the policy you defend.