[ManifestDestiny]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

$1:

Stop bitching America, you lost your right to bitch about other militarys presence when you decided you were a so called Alpha Dog and started invading shit as you pleased, and threatening everybody and boosting military presence everywhere.

But we are the so called Alpha dog

[CommanderSock]

commanderkai commanderkai:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

In this situation, the United States cannot lead by example. Everything you have accused Russia of doing (and rightfully so), the US has done numerous times in the past 17 years. Russia knows it will get away because America has. Perhaps America's new leadership will try and not be so punitive and it will give the Americans good grounds for reason against Russian aggression. Other than that, this is over.

Nothing to see here, move on.

First, define accused, because Russia has done that, all within the last year or two. Second, when has the United States told nations that we're target nukes at you if you don't comply? Just curious

I don't need to define accused, there's plenty of online dictionaries.

That being said I don't condone what Russia has done, but America has also invaded autonomous nations, it has killed thousands of civilians, directly, (even though without intention), and indirectly through ensuing civil unrest, or prior sanctions. Yes, Russia is a bully, but so is America.

The Bush administration has also repeatedly re-iterated that anything is on the table whilst dealing with Iran. They have never ruled out the use of nuclear strikes.

Russia is also huffing and puffing.

[Gunnair]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Scape Scape:

$1:

"I wonder how they would feel if we now dispatched humanitarian assistance to the Caribbean, suffering from a hurricane, using our navy," Medvedev said, adding that a whole U.S. fleet had been dispatched to deliver the aid.

I dare them to do it! While they are there, give Cuba a few nukes for shits and giggles.

Various navies were used to send aid to the Tsunami hit countries. Canada used warships to ship aid to the US after Hurricane Katrina.

It's not as if its "never done". I bet Russia would love for the US to send aid on unarmed defenceless transport ships that it can board and seize at its leisure...

I'm pretty sure we sent an AOR, not destroyers and an LCC Command ship. Mind you, the LCC makes a bit more sense because of its capabilities, but surely everyone would agree its provocative.

Besides, Canada sending a frigate to assist after Katrina can hardly be compared to the US sending a destroyer to assist its allie after being stomped on by Russia - a growing opponenet.

[EyeBrock]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

commanderkai commanderkai:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

In this situation, the United States cannot lead by example. Everything you have accused Russia of doing (and rightfully so), the US has done numerous times in the past 17 years. Russia knows it will get away because America has. Perhaps America's new leadership will try and not be so punitive and it will give the Americans good grounds for reason against Russian aggression. Other than that, this is over.

Nothing to see here, move on.

First, define accused, because Russia has done that, all within the last year or two. Second, when has the United States told nations that we're target nukes at you if you don't comply? Just curious

I don't need to define accused, there's plenty of online dictionaries.

That being said I don't condone what Russia has done, but America has also invaded autonomous nations, it has killed thousands of civilians, directly, (even though without intention), and indirectly through ensuing civil unrest, or prior sanctions. Yes, Russia is a bully, but so is America.

The Bush administration has also repeatedly re-iterated that anything is on the table whilst dealing with Iran. They have never ruled out the use of nuclear strikes.

Russia is also huffing and puffing.

The time to choose a side sock, is approaching.
At least the yanks have proper elections every 4 years.
It looks to me like Cold War Mk2.
Supporting Putin seems a bit extreme because the yanks took out the worst dictator in the middle east. Did you forget that the Baath party modelled itself on the Nazis?

Comparing Iraq and Afghanistan to Georgia is hardly equitable.

Are more apt analogy would be Hitler's invasion of the Sudetenland. The Russians running to 'aid' so called 'citizens' in a soveriegn country, ignoring internationally agreed borders. Sounds very familiar to those of us who have studied history.

[CommanderSock]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The time to choose a side sock, is approaching.
At least the yanks have proper elections every 4 years.
It looks to me like Cold War Mk2.
Supporting Putin seems a bit extreme because the yanks took out the worst dictator in the middle east. Did you forget that the Baath party modelled itself on the Nazis?

Comparing Iraq and Afghanistan to Georgia is hardly equitable.

Are more apt analogy would be Hitler's invasion of the Sudetenland. The Russians running to 'aid' so called 'citizens' in a soveriegn country, ignoring internationally agreed borders. Sounds very familiar to those of us who have studied history.

History does repeat itself. It is in cycles, the only thing that changes is the weaponry we use to butcher each other. Now that being said, Russia trampled Georgia's sovereignty, the same way America trampled Iraq's sovereignty, or Afghanistan's sovereignty. And yes, the Taliban were backwards, they were supporting terrorism, they were killing Afghan people punitively. Saddam was a dictator who did not hesitate to butcher his own with hardly any provocation. Again, we have to keep in mind these were both countries recognized by the UN, as sovereign states, and regime change, or what-ever kind of pretty name used to dress it up is still invasion due to self interest. America did not go to Iraq to liberate Iraqis, that's just plain silly. Now I don't need to re-iterate why America invaded both, there's a billion and one blog spots, opinions and editorials regarding the issue.

What I am stating however, is that America can and will (and has), engaged in brutally aggressive behavior, coercion, or as we like to call it, outright bullying. The world is her playground. Not just the above mentioned countries.

What Russia is doing is no different, and America realizes that its position as the world's sole superpower is threatened, or as reality sinks in, completely diminished. So Russia asks..."What we are doing is not different than what America has done?". Two wrongs don’t make a right. An Eye for an Eye and we go both blind. America should have behaved in more civility as the world's sole superpower. And it seems the American people may vote another right wing war hawk this November. If that be the case, let them butcher each other.

Regarding picking sides, I think it is too early to be thinking about picking sides.

[EyeBrock]

I guess we will just have to disagree on Russia and the US. I think there is a difference in the US and Russia's culture. The Russians are still dealing with the fact that their former empire has dissolved. Don't forget that the Tsar's were just as apt as the Soviets and Putin's gang to invade the small countries neighbouring mother Russia. The Russians have always been imperialistic.

Counter that with the Yanks who usually invade countries to liberate them, rightly or wrongly. They believe that they are helping the people.


As Churchill said: "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."

I don't see the Russians ever doing the right thing.

[Scape]

Russian troops caught doing donuts in Georgian Stadium

[C.M. Burns]

Just FYI - that's the Arctic ocean those Russians are swimming in.

Scape Scape:

[EyeBrock]

And your point is cartoon boy? We shall fight them on the beaches?

[C.M. Burns]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

And your point is cartoon boy? We shall fight them on the beaches?

Poor EyeBrock... he really misses WWII

[EyeBrock]

Yea, point still not made.

[saturn_656]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I'm pretty sure we sent an AOR, not destroyers and an LCC Command ship. Mind you, the LCC makes a bit more sense because of its capabilities, but surely everyone would agree its provocative.

Besides, Canada sending a frigate to assist after Katrina can hardly be compared to the US sending a destroyer to assist its allie after being stomped on by Russia - a growing opponenet.

Uhhh no.

Here was the fleet that responded to Katrina...









I don't know why so many are so dead set on letting Russia bring on all kinds of havoc in small former Soviet Republics without so much as a whimper of opposition.

Lets hope no one decides to throw US to the wolves one day.

[Gunnair]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I'm pretty sure we sent an AOR, not destroyers and an LCC Command ship. Mind you, the LCC makes a bit more sense because of its capabilities, but surely everyone would agree its provocative.

Besides, Canada sending a frigate to assist after Katrina can hardly be compared to the US sending a destroyer to assist its allie after being stomped on by Russia - a growing opponenet.

Uhhh no.

Here was the fleet that responded to Katrina...









I don't know why so many are so dead set on letting Russia bring on all kinds of havoc in small former Soviet Republics without so much as a whimper of opposition.

Lets hope no one decides to throw US to the wolves one day.

Whoops my bad, don't know why Preserver was on my mind. Nice catch.

Still, my second point stands. I'll stick to commenting on west coast deployments.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

A more apt analogy would be Hitler's invasion of the Sudetenland. The Russians running to 'aid' so called 'citizens' in a soveriegn country, ignoring internationally agreed borders. Sounds very familiar to those of us who have studied history.

that's not quite the correct analogy as the Sudetenland had never been part of Germany. They were the leftovers from the Austro Hungarian Empire. Germany had as much right to them as they did to the lands held by the Volga Germans, as in none. Seizing the Polish corridor and retaking Danzig/Gdansk would be a more appropriate analogy perhaps.

This is why why the Poles are so nervous about the Germans to this day. Due to an error(someone didn't check the names of the local rivers close enough), a larger chunk of Germany was given to the Poles than was intended. The Russians never returned the piece they took, nor have the Ukranians. Millions of Germans were uprooted, at the end of the war, and displaced from towns, cities and villages that had been German/Prussian for several centuries.