[Tricks]

Chumley Chumley:

Streaker Streaker:

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

What the hell are you talking about? Are you seriously saying that the Canadian military would go out of its way to kill civilains?

It's happened before - maybe not at the hands of the Canadian military but soldiers have committed all kinds of atrocities against civilians.

It's all happened before at the hands of civilians too.
You are starting to sound like PETA.

It's cause streaker is no better than an animal.

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Streaker Streaker:

Somalia, dude...

Were they conscripts?

Sadly one teenager was brutally beaten and killed by a two soldiers from the Airborne Regiment. Do you really understand what happened or have you just read a blurb on how the Canadian Military killed one civilian?
Did you understand that the Airborne Regiment was where troubled soldiers were sent, to get them out of their regular regiment? Did you understand that this was also a time where the ROE's of the UN mission in Rwanda tied the hands of soldiers? They were not allowed to fire upon or attack anyone outside of their camp. They could only defend themselves if fired upon, any acts of murder or rape against anyone else they saw they could not stop. Most of these men were burnt out, stressed and had the sense they were forgotten by Canada and their leaders. Out of all of this, only two men out of a battalion of soldiers captured a teenager who had stuck on the base to steal weapons and equipment. The two men took out their hatred and anger upon this teenager. One of the men who killed the boy attempted suicide after, he failed, and as a result he is no longer able to take care of himself due to brain damage. The second man was tried and found guilty; he's spent the rest of his life blaming everyone else for what happened.
Do you know what this horrible act did to our military? Funding was ripped away and the military was made a shell of what it had been. Shame racked the forces, every soldier felt ashamed of that two people did. They knew that although someone else had done this it reflected on every soldier. Only since going to Afghanistan, has the Canadian military been able to come back, to regain some of the honour it once had.
Now after reading what two men have done to the Canadian military, do you really think steps have not been made to make sure NOTHING like this ever happens again. The Canadian military is completely different from what it was 15 years. You throw out one word, having no idea what that did to OUR country. To use this horrible tragedy to explain your biased and ill informed options on a group of dedicated and brave soldiers you know nothing about. I dont how, you feel, you have the privilege of saying ‘you know what the military is about'.

[PENATRATOR]

LOL LOL LOL
You are grasping at straws now Streak, comparing Somalia, man are you out of FUCKING touch with reality, nice comeback ass wipe, I seriously laughed out loud when I read that one. Any idea how many troops have deployed since Somalia? lol Anybody with any idea of what is going on just realized you have no credibility, apples and oranges.
You are right the fuck out of'er.
Do yourself a favour, SHUT UP.

[Gunnair]

Streaker Streaker:

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

You know as well as I do Bart, threads like this are the only place you see Streaker, infact he lives for such things to occur, I am sure he pulls his pathetic little prick to these stories. Odd how we don't hear of the thousands killed by the terrorists deliberately, debated on here much at all, though I am sure Streak would find some way to side with the Taliban.

Fuck him, he is a coward who gets his ideals through the like of Eric Margolis and/or other half truths reported in the media, if he were ever in a position of harm, he would shit his cowardly self, he is a weasle.

Fascinating stuff, PENATRATOR....


Now.... How do you feel about about those dead kids?

Will killing kids win their hearts and minds?

What is facinating is that your attempt to hide behind a facade of deep concern is absolutley ruined by your obvious glee at using the death of children to promote your poilitical agenda.

If you honestly wanted to provoke thoughtful debate, Streaker, you'd be smart enough to realize the highhorse you continue to hop continues to come up lame.

[Zipperfish]

So what, we're just not supposed to mention the dead children? Pretend it never happened?

$1:

...your obvious glee at using the death of children to promote your poilitical agenda.

Trolling, Gunnair? Thought you were better than that.

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Zipperfish Zipperfish:

So what, we're just not supposed to mention the dead children? Pretend it never happened?

No just do some reading first and approach the subject with respect. I am all for debate, but saying to Canadian soldiers

Streaker Streaker:

The truth is that soldiers like you would act no differently than the terrorists if it weren't for civilians cracking the whip and keeping you boors in line. That's what citizens do - that's our responsibility in a free country.

shows that Streaker knows very little about the Canadian military. If he did some reading and research he would see that Canadians have very low friendly fire incidents and take great care to keep it that way.
If Canadians had killed the childeren in story this thread is about, then Streaker might have an argument. Canadian's were not responsible however, and should not be blamed and sneered at because of it.

[Zipperfish]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

So what, we're just not supposed to mention the dead children? Pretend it never happened?

No just do some reading first and approach the subject with respect. I am all for debate, but saying to Canadian soldiers

Streaker Streaker:

The truth is that soldiers like you would act no differently than the terrorists if it weren't for civilians cracking the whip and keeping you boors in line. That's what citizens do - that's our responsibility in a free country.

shows that Streaker knows very little about the Canadian military. If he did some reading and research he would see that Canadians have very low friendly fire incidents and take great care to keep it that way.
If Canadians had killed the childeren in story this thread is about, then Streaker might have an argument. Canadian's were not responsible however, and should not be blamed and sneered at because of it.

I don't agree with Streaker's comment at all. Actually, I find it pretty offensive.

There have been and there will be more children killed by Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan. I don't like it, but I backed the mission so I have to take responsbility myself for those deaths and that bothers me quite a bit on some days.

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I'm glad you dont, I dont think many would agree with Streaker.

[PENATRATOR]

On the other foot there have been Canadian Soldiers killed by children in Afghanistan, I certainly don't like EITHER scenarios, but I guess we can credit the Taliban for their noble tactics.

[Streaker]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Streaker Streaker:

Somalia, dude...

Were they conscripts?

Sadly one teenager was brutally beaten and killed by a two soldiers from the Airborne Regiment. Do you really understand what happened or have you just read a blurb on how the Canadian Military killed one civilian?
Did you understand that the Airborne Regiment was where troubled soldiers were sent, to get them out of their regular regiment? Did you understand that this was also a time where the ROE's of the UN mission in Rwanda tied the hands of soldiers? They were not allowed to fire upon or attack anyone outside of their camp. They could only defend themselves if fired upon, any acts of murder or rape against anyone else they saw they could not stop. Most of these men were burnt out, stressed and had the sense they were forgotten by Canada and their leaders. Out of all of this, only two men out of a battalion of soldiers captured a teenager who had stuck on the base to steal weapons and equipment. The two men took out their hatred and anger upon this teenager. One of the men who killed the boy attempted suicide after, he failed, and as a result he is no longer able to take care of himself due to brain damage. The second man was tried and found guilty; he's spent the rest of his life blaming everyone else for what happened.
Do you know what this horrible act did to our military? Funding was ripped away and the military was made a shell of what it had been. Shame racked the forces, every soldier felt ashamed of that two people did.

Let's stop right here. That shame was well deserved, to say the least, and it wasn't just two guys who were in on it. Our glorious exploit in Somalia featured drunken commanders, white supremacists, grotesque hazing rituals etc... Additionally, let's not ignore the gruesome closing of ranks in the aftermath of Somalia in an attempt to thwart subsequent investigations. Well, well, well! Suddenly there's a lot of guilt to go around, eh?

Maybe the Airborne was a dumping ground for trash, but they weren't quite touted that way, now were they? Supposedly they were the "elite" - that was the PR-created image and propaganda.

Moral of the story? Don't expect the military to be honest with the public, or to effectively police itself.

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

They knew that although someone else had done this it reflected on every soldier. Only since going to Afghanistan, has the Canadian military been able to come back, to regain some of the honour it once had.

By killing kids in a taxi?!?

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Now after reading what two men have done to the Canadian military, do you really think steps have not been made to make sure NOTHING like this ever happens again. The Canadian military is completely different from what it was 15 years.

LMAO!! How gullible do you think people are? Like you're going to be able to change in 15 years a subculture that's barely evolved in centuries! Whatever steps have been taken are mere window-dressing meant for public consumption.

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

You throw out one word, having no idea what that did to OUR country. To use this horrible tragedy to explain your biased and ill informed options on a group of dedicated and brave soldiers you know nothing about. I dont how, you feel, you have the privilege of saying ‘you know what the military is about'.

Stop blaming civvies for your problems.

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Thats true, the recent death of children involved a car coming much too close to a convoy. There was no way to avoid it, and the soldier was only protecting the convoy.

[Streaker]

...or maybe he was a coward.

[PENATRATOR]

Streaker, at least get your facts straight please. Don't tie in white supremacy with Somalia, again a few outcasts involved, however, it had nothing to do with Somalia.
You are like a tit with no nipple......pointless (ooops, I'm sure Lily will go whining to the Mods over that one)

[llama66]

unfortunately we cannot just "cut and run" we have made a mess, and we need to set things right before we can go, I may not agree with the war, but I think withdrawing now would be an atrocity far greater than some civilians dieing in a warzone. as much as it pains me to say, we need to stay and fix things.

[PENATRATOR]

Streaker Streaker:

...or maybe he was a coward.

How so? Please enlighten us with your theory? Again this is assuming you have the slightest idea of the situation on the ground and the proper use of ROE's.

Go ahead expert