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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:50 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
I'll just leave this hanging so you can get in the last word like I predicted.


I have managed to honour my word whenever I posted such a sentiment.

To date you have not once managed it.

Must be a CPC trait not honouring your word. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:55 pm
 


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Must be a CPC trait not honouring your word. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:34 am
 


Zipperfish said:

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Well, no offence, but you don't strike me as a guy with much of a sense of humour.

Look, nobody here doubts that you hold yourself in very high opinion, if that's what you're trying to get across.


That's not what it's about though really is it? I know your views on the military et al from numerous posts. You know mine. I know you care little for our guys in the Canadian Forces. What more can be said?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:45 am
 


ridenrain ridenrain:


As for you're usual style.. Msutang should grace us soon, amd with a wave of his hand, dismiss all and pronounce us all stupid, while you will continue to crow about how you have won.




Well...ask and you shall receive! Nice move, hypocrite - you chastise Derb for acts you commit with aplomb and then follow it up with a backhanded comment against me! The first and last resort of someone that got caught in the intellectual deep end without their little water wings.

Ohh....and it's "Mustang" but thanks for trying. :P


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:49 am
 


ridenrain ridenrain:

Liberals now want a larger navy so they can cash in on the "support the troops" line but not support the war in Afghanistan. The CPC must work hard to ensure the war in Afghanistan succeeds so they want army funding. The bottom line is what matters is the mission and since it was developed by both parties, it should be supported by both parties.

I wish Canadians were more partriotic like the Brits and that we could stop playing political games when bigger tasks are at hand.

I imagine that anyone from the Airborn ever forgets or regrets becomming the best of the best. Politics and political corectness aside, they were the best at what they did and if people didn't like what they did then they haven't a clue what an army is.


The Liberals don't want a larger navy so they can ignore Afghanistan. As you pointed, they were the ones who put us there. The reason for a bigger navy has been spelled out on many different threads, but the gist if that the Navy maintains our sovereignty far more than the army does. A couple of Rangers on Skidoos have far less capability and reach than a frigate or submarine.

I understand the CPC rationale behind growing and supporting the army, as it is involved in Afghanistan right now, but let's be honest. The Liberals poured hundreds of millions into the army before 2005 (LAVs, G-Wagens, M-177 howitzers, Nyalas, etc), so it is hardly the sole purview of the CPC.

The problem with the Airborne in Somalia wasn't that they were Airborne, but rather that Mulroney had deployed a hard-core special ops unit to a peace-keeping mission. If Mulroney gets kudos for defusing Oka and sending forces to the Gulf, then he also deserves criticism for sending the wrong type of unit to Somalia.

The Airborne was the best of the best, but their hazing videos, poor discipline (even in Canada), and torture oF Somalia civilians didn't do them any favours. That was why they were disbanded. I never agreed with that decision, as I feel that 75% of our infantry should be airborne forces, to attack and interdict anyone who would attempt to attack us (as unlikely as that may be), mostly because they are rapidly deployable, where our mechanized infantry untis are not.

As I've said many times before, both parties have royally fucked up the defence portfolio at times in the past. Hopefully, we've turned the corner from the past two/three decades of the 20th century and we're on our way to bigger and better things.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:23 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Zipperfish said:

$1:
Well, no offence, but you don't strike me as a guy with much of a sense of humour.

Look, nobody here doubts that you hold yourself in very high opinion, if that's what you're trying to get across.


That's not what it's about though really is it? I know your views on the military et al from numerous posts. You know mine. I know you care little for our guys in the Canadian Forces. What more can be said?


Removed...

You think what you like Eye Brock... I'm not interested in getting into it again.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:16 pm
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
As I've said many times before, both parties have royally
fucked up the defence portfolio at times in the past. Hopefully, we've turned the corner from the past two/three decades of the 20th century and we're on our way to bigger and better things.


Rather than reopen old wounds, I'll just agree and sigh, knowing that procurement and direction of the forces will always be run by un-informed and short visioned bureaucrats.


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