[DerbyX]

ziggy ziggy:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ziggy ziggy:

For fucks sakes,they drain the lake,remove all the fish,put a frozen earthen core dam around it and it become's a settiling pond,mines need these so they can contain anything they use in the leaching process to extract gold instead of it hitting the watershed,you guys that scream and yell about this shit wouldnt like the alternative which used to be letting it drain right in the watershed.


This looks more like a con slam fest for the usuall that dont have a clue and buy everything the media says.

Three rolly eyes for all the posters that jumped on the anti Con bandwagon....pathetic!

Can we do this in urban facilities far from natural habitats?

Can we create wastewater treatment plants safely and cleanly in urban environemnts?

You can do that anywhere,Canada has the technology to turn piss into water,I'm talking about a tailings pond that gold mines use to send their conatminated water to. They use cyanide in the leeching process.

As somebody not familiar with anything you just said the problem is one of PR.

We generate alot of medical waste .... alot. Far more then I think is neccessary but nobody listens to me and it isn't a public concern because nobody wants to admit it exists as a problem.

Essentially this is a PR problem. Why drain existing lakes and destroying that habitat of we have a better PR option?

[DerbyX]

novachick novachick:

ziggy ziggy:

Thats how we make the gold your wife or x has on her finger,we use cyanide,

And people wonder why I won't get married

You are young. Too young to think that yet.

You just haven't yet met the dreamy ferret owning guy yet.

[Zipperfish]

ziggy ziggy:

For fucks sakes,they drain the lake,remove all the fish,put a frozen earthen core dam around it and it become's a settiling pond,mines need these so they can contain anything they use in the leaching process to extract gold instead of it hitting the watershed,you guys that scream and yell about this shit wouldnt like the alternative which used to be letting it drain right in the watershed.


This looks more like a con slam fest for the usuall that dont have a clue and buy everything the media says.

Three rolly eyes for all the posters that jumped on the anti Con bandwagon....pathetic!

Well, I guess the reason it dosn't hit the watershed is becasue they will have turned the watershed into a tailings pond.

Seriously, why should the people of Canada donate a lake for a marginal mine. It was so marginal the company claimed time and again that they couldn't make money unless they got the lake. Well then, I say, you don't have a viable mining project then.

[ziggy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

ziggy ziggy:

For fucks sakes,they drain the lake,remove all the fish,put a frozen earthen core dam around it and it become's a settiling pond,mines need these so they can contain anything they use in the leaching process to extract gold instead of it hitting the watershed,you guys that scream and yell about this shit wouldnt like the alternative which used to be letting it drain right in the watershed.


This looks more like a con slam fest for the usuall that dont have a clue and buy everything the media says.

Three rolly eyes for all the posters that jumped on the anti Con bandwagon....pathetic!

Well, I guess the reason it dosn't hit the watershed is becasue they will have turned the watershed into a tailings pond.

Seriously, why should the people of Canada donate a lake for a marginal mine. It was so marginal the company claimed time and again that they couldn't make money unless they got the lake. Well then, I say, you don't have a viable mining project then.

Well the permafrost will keep it from going anywhere but maybe some should read up a bit on the options which used to be pumping it straight into a lake, great bear,slave lake come to mind.

anyone wants to not contribute,then dont buy anything with gold,that's allmost everything but the gold jewelry you buy means your part of the problem.
Allthough if your buying Canadian gold then your not contributing to the massive deaths that happen when they mine gold in Africa or other countries.

Same with Alberta's tarsands,anyone with mutual funds that arent green is likely an investor and doesnt know it. Yet they will bitch about the enviro damage.

As long as people are buying gold for bling then these mine projects will be viable.

The hypocrisy of people sometimes astounds me.

[mtbr]

kenmore kenmore:

Maybe it isnt new practice...but its one that should stop. point is this government has a dismal track record on the environment and a billion other issues.. if Harper gave a shit about more than himself he would be doing a better job on the environment

idiot...



remember..."we didn't get it done" short memories of a liberal.

lets discuss liberal contributions to the environment in its own thread

[sandorski]

I don't care Who started this or even if it's "Safe" or "Best" or whatever. It still means killing a Lake. As Zipper says, if it's the only way to make a Mine Viable, then too bad.

edit-oops, wrong person cited

[Zipperfish]

ziggy ziggy:

Well the permafrost will keep it from going anywhere but maybe some should read up a bit on the options which used to be pumping it straight into a lake, great bear,slave lake come to mind.

Exactly. It seems ot me that pumping into a lake is the kind of thing that should not be allowed. They should build a tailings impoundment area, like other mines. Donating the use of a public lake so that the company does not have to treat its tailings and waste rock amounts to a subsidy, in my opinion.

[LightStarr]

ziggy ziggy:

For fucks sakes,they drain the lake,remove all the fish,put a frozen earthen core dam around it and it become's a settiling pond,mines need these so they can contain anything they use in the leaching process to extract gold instead of it hitting the watershed,you guys that scream and yell about this shit wouldnt like the alternative which used to be letting it drain right in the watershed.


This looks more like a con slam fest for the usuall that dont have a clue and buy everything the media says.

Three rolly eyes for all the posters that jumped on the anti Con bandwagon....pathetic!

Zig, I want to point out I did not want this to become a Con bashing thread or a Lib bashing one. It doesn't matter who is in power, I don't think we as Canadians should stand for this kind of thing. If any party was willing to let this slide, I would still raise my voice.

I understand the idea behind draining the lake and on the surface it sounds like a good plan, but what about the local plant and wildlife, not just the fish? Would they not be at an equal risk? I mean, they drink from the pond, plant life drinks the water from the pond, doesn't it just move up the ladder from there?

[djakeydd]

It is too bad that so few people can get facts straight. This news release makes it sound like lakes are going to be used for garbage disposal. The simple fact is, mining activity exposes acid rock. This rock contains stuff like arsenic etc., which if exposed to the atmosphere becomes highly toxic. As long as this rock remains underwater (either in manmade or natural lakes) it is harmless. Natural lakes are in some ways a better choice for the disposal, because their is no liklihood of dam breaks. This is a very simple matter of common sense, but the idiocy that pervades this site always takes precedence - like how many people on here have iq's less than peter mackay??

[RUEZ]

djakeydd djakeydd:

It is too bad that so few people can get facts straight. This news release makes it sound like lakes are going to be used for garbage disposal. The simple fact is, mining activity exposes acid rock. This rock contains stuff like arsenic etc., which if exposed to the atmosphere becomes highly toxic. As long as this rock remains underwater (either in manmade or natural lakes) it is harmless. Natural lakes are in some ways a better choice for the disposal, because their is no liklihood of dam breaks. This is a very simple matter of common sense, but the idiocy that pervades this site always takes precedence - like how many people on here have iq's less than peter mackay??

If you could have refrained from some of the bullshit you would have had a good post here.

[Zipperfish]

djakeydd djakeydd:

It is too bad that so few people can get facts straight. This news release makes it sound like lakes are going to be used for garbage disposal. The simple fact is, mining activity exposes acid rock. This rock contains stuff like arsenic etc., which if exposed to the atmosphere becomes highly toxic. As long as this rock remains underwater (either in manmade or natural lakes) it is harmless. Natural lakes are in some ways a better choice for the disposal, because their is no liklihood of dam breaks. This is a very simple matter of common sense, but the idiocy that pervades this site always takes precedence - like how many people on here have iq's less than peter mackay??

Yeah, you had a point but kind of went off the deep end there. Actually, teh Mining Assocaition of BC takes a similar tack: the biggest environmental problem with mines is acid rock drainage, and burying tailings and waste rock in a geologically stable lake ensures no ARD, so why not use lakes.

I don't buy it. There's plenty of ways to deal wiht waste rock and tailings that do not involve the permanenet destrcution of a natural lake. The lake option is just cheaper, so naturally mining companies would prefer that option. I don't think it's a good deal for Canadians though.

I'm all for mines. I just don't think they should be able to use natural lakes for their operations.

[Bacardi4206]

RUEZ RUEZ:

djakeydd djakeydd:

It is too bad that so few people can get facts straight. This news release makes it sound like lakes are going to be used for garbage disposal. The simple fact is, mining activity exposes acid rock. This rock contains stuff like arsenic etc., which if exposed to the atmosphere becomes highly toxic. As long as this rock remains underwater (either in manmade or natural lakes) it is harmless. Natural lakes are in some ways a better choice for the disposal, because their is no liklihood of dam breaks. This is a very simple matter of common sense, but the idiocy that pervades this site always takes precedence - like how many people on here have iq's less than peter mackay??

If you could have refrained from some of the bullshit you would have had a good post here.

Agreed, doesn't suprise me though. Wherever there is a arguement, there is always one - a couple assholes who feel the need to trash everybody that they diddn't agree with. It's what happens when you're maturity level is lower then those kids you see on those kids shows with Barney.

[ziggy]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

ziggy ziggy:

Well the permafrost will keep it from going anywhere but maybe some should read up a bit on the options which used to be pumping it straight into a lake, great bear,slave lake come to mind.

Exactly. It seems ot me that pumping into a lake is the kind of thing that should not be allowed. They should build a tailings impoundment area, like other mines. Donating the use of a public lake so that the company does not have to treat its tailings and waste rock amounts to a subsidy, in my opinion.

Tailings ponds mean disturbing lots of ground and it will be right next to the lake anyway,they do their due diligence and count every single fish in a lake before they do this,then they make new habitat for the fish that will be displaced.
For every bit of habitat you ruin or make unsuitable you have to make new habitat somewhere close and equal to or greater(usually) then what you ruined.

The cyanide and other deadly goodies everyones worried about come from the mining process,not exposing or mining the rock that contains the gold.

So much mis-information on here it boggles my mind.

Fair enough though,people like to take shots at mining companies and rightly so.
Thats why they do things right now environmentally speaking.

[Benoit]

Transforming lakes into toxic dumps because "our community desperately needs those jobs" is the utmost stupid nonsense.

[novachick]

Benoit Benoit:

Transforming lakes into toxic dumps because "our community desperately needs those jobs" is the utmost stupid nonsense.

God only knows your the king of stupid nonsense