[bootlegga]

Stellar Stellar:

There are three parties here, one publicly owned, one privately owned, and one that deals out the cards to one of the other two buyers.

CBC’s revenue comes from our tax dollars, its purpose is not to gain the profit that CTV is earning but to provide Canadian content to the public. In short, CBC doesn’t make half what CTV makes, so to draw up a comparison using the same criteria for each of the two broadcasting companies would be quite skewed.

The blame, really, should go toward Claman. She was being given $500 each time CBC played her jingle, and look how many games are played in a week for a year. Further, look at how many channels CBC has that broadcasts her songs. They have over three. Point being, they have a great deal of broadcasts of that song, and Claman is receiving a good amount of revenue for all of it.

I mean it begs the question, is that amount of money really to small for her? Would she really be “saddened” that the deal collapsed when she on her own will let the deal fall through? Would she actually be saddened when she knew she was going to sacrifice that much of Canada’s culture to satisfy her greed?

CBC for 14 months attempted to negotiate with Claman and come to a mutual agreement, they wanted to include the lawsuit as well as the future contract, but Claman chose to make it separate. Then, when last week rolled around, CBC offered an offer nearly identical to hers, and as a result she gave no response, but instead apparently turned to CTV and began talking to them. In fact, Claman and her publishers were seemingly vary reluctant to talk to CBC, not outlining the details and exact figures of the deal. Remember, CBC has a responsibility being a government-run corporation, and arnt in the same liberty to just hand out their money to some shady deal.

As you can see, a severe lack of communication was also apparent on Claman’s part. CBC also offered to buy the royalties out right for around 1 million dollars, and chances are – CTV bought the song from 1.3 to over 3 million dollars in perpetuity. Something that CBC, being a state run company is unable to afford.

And NOT to mention, Claman brought in another problem on the negotiation table by suing CBC in 2004, making the chance for a new deal even harder, once again a burden that CTV doesn’t have.

Now I’m not saying that CBC doesn’t have other shitty programs that should be cut, all Im saying is that CBC holds the responsibility of the tax-payers which cannot be in competition with CTV. On Claman’s side, she had a lot of money coming her way with CBC’s original deal, and quite frankly I believe its fair to say that she decided to sell out her Canadian pride to her greed and thanks to her, we lost a piece of our culture.

That song is our song, she made it, but we as a society formed it into what it is today – a piece of our culture. We are the ones who made her rich, we are the ones that made it apart of what we say when we call ourselves Canadian. Morally, that’s our song as Canadians, which has been taken away thanks to the result of one’s greed. So stop completely blaming CBC, and instead do some research and realize they aren’t as flexible as it appears.

Regards,
Stellar.

The real reason that CBC didn't get this song was because CTV was willing to pay so much more for it, just like they did with the Olympics. Claman and the copyright assholes obviously never had any intention of selling it to CBC, they just wanted to cash in. Fine, but as far as I'm concerned, that song means nothing to me now.

When I hear it (if I ever watch a CTV/TSN game - not likely as it'll probably be Leafs vs flavour of the month), instead of hearing a song that once stirred my soul, I'll hear only the kaching of a cash register.

[ridenrain]

That's spin.

From what I read, the deal was the same that it had been for what.. 50 years? Why is cost suddenly an issue now, after they've been paying that ammount since 1968.

[Thanos]

Chumley Chumley:

Thanos Thanos:

Hopefully the CBC replacement song contest, which has train-wreck written all over it, doesn't end up in as much of a horrifying result as what happened when that god-awful Hank Williams Jr. song ruined Monday Night Football.

Hey, maybe it will be like American Idol

And that should be everyone's greatest fear. The only thing worse would be if they got the Barenaked Ladies to sing one of their pedantic little ditties about different flavours of ketchup or Kraft dinners or something equally duh-duh and use it to open up each night of HNIC. Why not just choose some Bryan Adams song and get it over with?

[sandorski]

Thanks for not wasting Tax Payer $$ CBC. Ya, I'll miss the song, but I 'm practically over the mourning period already.

[Wullu]

Capitalism in full force! Gotta love it.

Now go suck on yer thumbs CBC.

[Johnny_Utah]

ridenrain ridenrain:

If you noticed, the CBC are very publicly crying about their funding. They fired the studio band and now they can't afford to sustain a Canadian icon like this. What do you bet that this is going to be a large part of the next election.

Oh well, Al-Jezera is always looking for good, anti-American types.

CBC is a gold mine for that..

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

That's spin.

From what I read, the deal was the same that it had been for what.. 50 years? Why is cost suddenly an issue now, after they've been paying that ammount since 1968.

You are so dumb it's funny. In one thread you moan and bitch that CBC is a waste of taxpayer money, and then when they do something fiscally responsible (avoiding a bidding war), you give them nothing but contempt.

Fuck, you are such a hack...

[ridenrain]

bootlegga bootlegga:

ridenrain ridenrain:

That's spin.

From what I read, the deal was the same that it had been for what.. 50 years? Why is cost suddenly an issue now, after they've been paying that ammount since 1968.

You are so dumb it's funny. In one thread you moan and bitch that CBC is a waste of taxpayer money, and then when they do something fiscally responsible (avoiding a bidding war), you give them nothing but contempt.

Fuck, you are such a hack...

You need to keep the story straight:

$1:

The real reason that CBC didn't get this song was because CTV was willing to pay so much more for it, just like they did with the Olympics.

There was no bidding war so why do you say that? CTV bought the song only after the CBC dropped the ball.
This story has been all over the news so spinning the facts isn't going to work here. Why don't you just come clean and blurt out you're secret agenda and get it over with.

[Zipperfish]

sandorski sandorski:

Thanks for not wasting Tax Payer $$ CBC. Ya, I'll miss the song, but I 'm practically over the mourning period already.

You said it, buddy!

[bootlegga]

ridenrain ridenrain:

You need to keep the story straight:

$1:

The real reason that CBC didn't get this song was because CTV was willing to pay so much more for it, just like they did with the Olympics.

There was no bidding war so why do you say that? CTV bought the song only after the CBC dropped the ball.
This story has been all over the news so spinning the facts isn't going to work here. Why don't you just come clean and blurt out you're secret agenda and get it over with.

$1:

CBC Sports executive director Scott Moore, who led the corporation's failed effort to retain control over the music, told Canwest News Service late Monday that CTV must have paid between $2.5 million and $3 million for the rights - the price he says Claman and her agent were demanding, and which CBC felt would have been "irresponsible" for a public broadcaster to shell out for a song.



Despite the heat from hockey fans CBC could take over losing the song, Moore insisted the backlash would have been worse if the network had paid Claman's minimum $2.5-million asking price.

"We were a little surprised that (CTV) would pay up to $3 million for a song that's so closely associated with our network."

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/n ... bcd289f0bd
How's that for spin?

So CBC offered 1 - 1.3 million and CTV paid 2.5 - 3 million. Sounds like a bidding war to me. You really need to read more than just CTV to stay informed...

[acidcomplex]

bootlegga bootlegga:

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/n ... bcd289f0bd
How's that for spin?

So CBC offered 1 - 1.3 million and CTV paid 2.5 - 3 million. Sounds like a bidding war to me. You really need to read more than just CTV to stay informed...

Well no there is no bidding war, even in your own post the word AFTER was used

Ill post the part of the article you have left out for obvious reasons

$1:

Just hours after the CBC attempted an 11th-hour bid Monday to resolve a contract dispute over its iconic theme song for Hockey Night in Canada, the public broadcaster was blindsided by CTV when the rival network announced a deal with composer Dolores Claman for exclusive rights to the country's "second national anthem."

[ridenrain]

This is rumor comming from the CBC and do recall that CTV BOUGHT the song and didn't just rent it like the CBC did. In any case, acidcomplex is right and CTV moved only after CBC dropped it.

This is all crap because I don't give a tinkers damn how much CTV paid because it's not my money their spending. The CBC could have bought the song for $3 million also and I seriously wonder if anyone would have complained anyways. Since when has the CBC worried about how it's spending looked anyways.

[Adrian22]

The songwriter's daughter speaks up on her blog - and provides details about what's happened behind-the-scenes:

http://madeleinemorris.blogspot.com/200 ... theme.html

Tuesday, June 10, 2008
The Hockey Theme

I just wanted to thank you, on behalf of my mother, for your support of
the hockey theme. I also wanted you to know my side of the story,
because it's important to me. What I hope you will acknowledge is that
the CBC has had an exclusive media platform on which to air its side of
the story.

First, to clear up some misconceptions. For 25 years, CBC paid my mother
no license fees at all for the music. It was only in the last 15 years
that they began to pay any license fee at all.

Last week, after more than a year of CBC bullying, threatening and
endless changing of positions, we offered the CBC the following deal:
forget the lawsuit - just pay our legal fees (which we incurred because
of CBC's breach of usage as agreed in the license deal) and let's keep
the same licensing deal as before. That's it...same as before. $500 per
episode of HNIC. They did not accept.

They kept bullying us, telling us the song was worthless, threatening to
drop the song altogether if we didn't give them exactly what they
wanted, absolutely on their terms. If not, they'd hold a national
contest and replace the song. Honestly, it became increasingly clear to
us that this was their plan all along - to offer deals that were
impossible for us to accept, so they would have the excuse to drop the
song without being blamed for doing it. On Thursday, they sent us an
email rejecting the offer and saying that it was sad we could not come
to an agreement.

Then on Friday, Scott Moore of the CBC announced the Song Contest to
replace the theme. So, it was clear, for sure, that this was over for
us.

My belief is that when it started to become clear to the CBC that the
public wasn't happy with their decision, they announced that they would
negotiate further. Frankly, my mother was so depressed, she just said -
no, they don't really want the song. It's better at least if it dies a
dignified death.

When CTV made an offer, they promised that they'd use the song, and
they'd use it in association with Canadian hockey. Of all the things,
this mattered most to my mother.

I know you are probably upset that we didn't resolve our differences
with the CBC, but no matter what they say publicly, they really,
clearly, didn't give a shit about the theme. Their only concern was they
should not be seen to be the villains in getting rid of it. My mother
became a very convenient scapegoat.

To a composer, their music is like their baby - they don't want to see
it buried, or forgotten, or sidelined. And my mother, being a rather
strong woman, just wasn't willing to be bullied and threatened any more.
A lot of people are going to call her greedy and opportunistic. Well,
they just don't know her at all. It's going to sound trite if I say that
"it wasn't about the money". But ask any composer of music if they want
to see their work buried, and never played again. It's easy to focus on
the money. But it was never, ever about the money. Life, and people, are
just a lot more complex than that.

That's my side of the story, for what it's worth.

Madeleine Morris

[Thanos]

Hurrah for the Claman family for finally getting a proper reward for their contribution. I don't mind them giving me, with that letter, another reason to despise the CBC either.

WORST-SUBSIDIZED-NETWORK-EVER!

[Tman1]

C.M. Burns C.M. Burns:

CTV stole the HNIC theme from CBC?
Well, I will save you the trouble of reading the expletives that come to mind.
CTV is dead to me.
TSN is dead to me.

CBC spent decades bringing hockey to every Canadian and now the greedy old bag sells out to CTV?

Dolores, you screwed Canada!

It's Canadian television, whats the difference? One was willing to pay the price and another, (the one that spent decades bringing hockey to Canada) pussied out.