[wildrosegirl]

canuckns canuckns:

Wullu Wullu:

The conduct of the cops was BANG ON!!

The parents are the problem here, not john law.

I agree 100% up to the handcuffing of the child. If 2 officers cannot control and 10 year old then there is a problem. I agree he should have been shown the back seat of the police car as well. The parents are the ones who need to be charged with child endangerment/neglect.

Agreed.

Leaving their 10 year old son alone is questionable enough, but with 5 friends in the house? Over my dead body.

The sad part is, if something had gone horribly wrong while these children were unattended, everyone would be all over those parents. Because the children were reported and disciplined, it's "Oh the poor little boy and his parents". You have to ask yourself exactly what kind of scene must have been taking place to cause the neighbour to report it in the first place.

Personally, I'm glad they scared the hell out of the kid AND the parents. Maybe they'll all stop to consider their actions once they're done cleaning up after their pity party.

[Bacardi4206]

DerbyX DerbyX:

10 years old is old enough to be left alone for short periods in their own house.

The conduct of the police officers was reprehensible and inexcusable. Their reaction to a noise complaint was beyond overkill and their subsequent treatment of the 10 year old was IMO criminal behaviour. The police should be charged with child endangerment and whatever misconduct rules they may have broken.

Handcuffing a 10 year old in his own house for a simple noise complaint?

Then the police wonder why they have a public relations problem.

One kid had a meat cleaver... Which was reported in that 'Noise Complaint' which also included 10 year olds throwing empty beer cans at her apartment and making a lot of noise. Hmm, let's see what we got here from what the police report would be.

10 year olds... making lots of noise... Throwing empty beer cans, holding meat cleavers... Yeah I am sure if you were responding to what you would think is a case of 10 year old kids, drunk while making noise and holding dangerous weapons and the parents aren't even there. You wouldn't be drawing out your firearm or 'over reacting'.

All the cops did was question him, then handcuff him. I mean, what is so abusive of that. You know what I really hate? Whenever a cop scenario gets played, everybody is always way too quick to point fingers and call out abuse when they are being biased on understanding both point of views.

Cops aren't psychic and can't see there parents all the way somewhere else and know it's all right to just leave them there. They have to take them with them, and hold them over night unti'll there parents got there to talk to them. However luckily the parents got there just as he was going to the cop car.

So what exactly was so abusive about this? that there personality was negative when talking to the parents?

[mikewood86]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

DerbyX DerbyX:

10 years old is old enough to be left alone for short periods in their own house.

The conduct of the police officers was reprehensible and inexcusable. Their reaction to a noise complaint was beyond overkill and their subsequent treatment of the 10 year old was IMO criminal behaviour. The police should be charged with child endangerment and whatever misconduct rules they may have broken.

Handcuffing a 10 year old in his own house for a simple noise complaint?

Then the police wonder why they have a public relations problem.

One kid had a meat cleaver... Which was reported in that 'Noise Complaint' which also included 10 year olds throwing empty beer cans at her apartment and making a lot of noise. Hmm, let's see what we got here from what the police report would be.

10 year olds... making lots of noise... Throwing empty beer cans, holding meat cleavers... Yeah I am sure if you were responding to what you would think is a case of 10 year old kids, drunk while making noise and holding dangerous weapons and the parents aren't even there. You wouldn't be drawing out your firearm or 'over reacting'.

All the cops did was question him, then handcuff him. I mean, what is so abusive of that. You know what I really hate? Whenever a cop scenario gets played, everybody is always way too quick to point fingers and call out abuse when they are being biased on understanding both point of views.

Cops aren't psychic and can't see there parents all the way somewhere else and know it's all right to just leave them there. They have to take them with them, and hold them over night unti'll there parents got there to talk to them. However luckily the parents got there just as he was going to the cop car.

So what exactly was so abusive about this? that there personality was negative when talking to the parents?

I was waiting to see how far it would go before someone mentioned the MEAT CLEAVER the neighbour saw! Are you fucking kidding me people! Who wouldn't throw the kid in handcuffs? Bravo to the officers. I know my parents would have been thanking the police had this have been me when I was 10. Valuable lesson learned. I hope the kid shit his pants and the lousy parents had to clean it up.

If one of these kids was hurt or killed, those of you who are attacking the police officers would be singing a different tune.

[DerbyX]

Oh please.

Some dodgy complaint from a neighbour who made up some BS story about seeing a meat clever because she was pissed off at a bunch of kids doesn't ever justify the reaction of the officers.

It certainly doesn't justify their reaction after the fact when it became quite apparent that all that was happening was kids rough-housing.

The only lesson they learn't that day was not to trust police.

I'd say they got that message loud and clear. The parents certainly did and are perfectly justified in demanding an apology, hell they are justified in filing an official complaint.

You people may applaud the police terrorizing a child then handcuffing him but I doubt you would agree if it were your child ot you being handcuffed for a bogus reason.

I hope someday you aren't listen to music to loudly while chopping vegetables and some cop kicks down your door and before you know it you get shot "while advancing with a threatening weapon".

[Wally_Sconce]

if the 10 year old was respectful of his neighbors, none of this would have happened.

[RUEZ]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

if the 10 year old was respectful of his neighbors, none of this would have happened.

Respect needs to be earned and lack of it is no excuse for abuse of your authority.

[mikewood86]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Oh please.

Some dodgy complaint from a neighbour who made up some BS story about seeing a meat clever because she was pissed off at a bunch of kids doesn't ever justify the reaction of the officers.

It certainly doesn't justify their reaction after the fact when it became quite apparent that all that was happening was kids rough-housing.

The only lesson they learn't that day was not to trust police.

Lukasz still has an overall positive attitude about police officers -- "I just don't like that one big one."

I'd say they got that message loud and clear. The parents certainly did and are perfectly justified in demanding an apology, hell they are justified in filing an official complaint.

You people may applaud the police terrorizing a child then handcuffing him but I doubt you would agree if it were your child ot you being handcuffed for a bogus reason.

Age isn't a factor in deciding when to handcuff someone, he said.

"You use handcuffs for the protection of the individual, for the safety, for the protection of the officer or protection of the public and that's irrelevant of the age of the subject."

I hope someday you aren't listen to music to loudly while chopping vegetables and some cop kicks down your door and before you know it you get shot "while advancing with a threatening weapon".

So the story is BS only because it doesn't fit with your argument?

A phone call to the police doesn't reveal the whole situation (wether it be harmless or threatening), but given the details they recieved they responded to the situation as a threatening one.

The neighbour reported a meat cleaver and beer cans, not teddy bears and juice!!!

As I said before, if someone had gotten hurt, everyone would be screaming "where were the parents?" Now all of the sudden, they and their child are the victims.

[mtbr]

lily lily:

Like mikewoods, I was wondering why everyone seemed to have forgotten the meat cleaver and beer cans too.


My parents would have made ME apologize.

amazing how parents have changed their views in the last couple of decades.

I would have gotten my ass kicked..after the cops left.

whats up with the beer cans?..parents must be a bunch of drunken slobs looking to launch a lawsuit so they can get some more "beer and popcorn"

[mikewood86]

mtbr mtbr:

lily lily:

Like mikewoods, I was wondering why everyone seemed to have forgotten the meat cleaver and beer cans too.


My parents would have made ME apologize.

amazing how parents have changed their views in the last couple of decades.

I would have gotten my ass kicked..after the cops left.

whats up with the beer cans?..parents must be a bunch of drunken slobs looking to launch a lawsuit so they can get some more "beer and popcorn"

Ha ha same. My dad worked Toronto Police for 30 years, and my grandpa for 35. Talk about embarassing your dad at work! My ass would have been raw lol.

[kenmore]

At what age can a child be left home alone?

The Child and Family Services Act does not identify an age when a child can be left alone, or an age at which a child can supervise or babysit other children. The Act recognizes that age alone is not a sufficient safeguard for the supervision of children.

The Act says that a person who has charge of a child less than 16 years of age cannot leave the child without making provision for his/her care or supervision that is reasonable under the circumstances. Anyone who contravenes this provision is guilty of a provincial offence and if convicted is liable to a fine of up to $1,000 and/or imprisonment of up to a year.

In addition, the Criminal Code of Canada includes the offence of abandoning a child. Everyone who unlawfully abandons or exposes a child who is under the age of 10 years, so that its life is or is likely to be endangered, or its health is or is likely to be permanently injured is guilty of an offence that carries a penalty of imprisonment of not more than two years.

If you're unsure as to whether it's okay to leave your child home alone, please consult with your local Children's Aid Society -- this is from the ontario children's aid association.. might be different in each province

[DerbyX]

Neighbours are notorious for embellishing complaints against other neghbours especially if they are feuding or are pissed of at the neighbours kids.

This is a noise complaint and the cops treated it as a drug-house raid and don't hand me some BS line about handcuffs being for the protection of the cops. It was a bunch of kids and it certainly wasn't to protect the child.

This was cops acting badly beyond belief. Now read what the kid said about the cops. He only has problem with the one "rude one". He certainly isn't attacking all cops.

Hell, this forum has seen more then enough evidence that cops can and do go way overboard. There are certainly many videos about how skaters have been abused.

If you people find this acceptable behaviour in police officers then lookout if they ever have a bad day and you say something wron got them.

So many people are just itching to blame the parents for a sitation the cops could have and should have dealt with in a farmore reasonable manner.

Thats the measure of a good officer. A good officer would have sized up the situation and dissolved it wothout resorting to gestapo tactics.

They are trained to diffuse situations and not antagonize or exacerbate them. There are plenty of scenarios on COPS where they do just that. They diffuse a situation using talking rfather then escalating it even if they are justified doing so.

This should have been solved with a simple knock on the door and a stern warning about keeping it down.

Instead we got cops who kicked in the door like it was Miami Vice and handcuffed a bloody 10 year old. Battle lines have been drawn up and people's opinions of cops have been lowered.

I don't think they are justified but even if somebody does, the cops should have handled it better being that they were trained adult cops dealing with children even if they were "technically" justified.

I wouldn't trust cops who had to resort to handcuffs on a child to handle any domestic call, traffic stop, or a damn gun for that matter.

[DerbyX]

lily lily:

You decided all that after reading one side of the story?

I think you've injected more than a little personal experience there, Derb.

Wrong.

I can't believe you people can be so cavalier about cops busting up a rowdy sleepover and handcuffing a 10 year old child.

If he really wanted to scare him he should have pistol whipped him to.

10 years in a federal pen would smarten that kid up too I'll bet.

I didn't jump all over the RCMP like others based on my personal feelings or experiences. I examined that situation based on the merits of the facts.

I did the same here and I can't even bend over backwards to make this appear even slightly in favour of the police.

It certainly seems like a bucnh of bitter adults are relishing a sassy kid getting his just deserts.

[wildrosegirl]

DerbyX DerbyX:

lily lily:

You decided all that after reading one side of the story?

I think you've injected more than a little personal experience there, Derb.

Wrong.

I can't believe you people can be so cavalier about cops busting up a rowdy sleepover and handcuffing a 10 year old child.

If he really wanted to scare him he should have pistol whipped him to.

10 years in a federal pen would smarten that kid up too I'll bet.

I didn't jump all over the RCMP like others based on my personal feelings or experiences. I examined that situation based on the merits of the facts.

I did the same here and I can't even bend over backwards to make this appear even slightly in favour of the police.

It certainly seems like a bucnh of bitter adults are relishing a sassy kid getting his just deserts.

If "that kid's" parents had been home as they should have been, none of this would have happened.

Period.

As for the 10 years in federal pen smartening him up - if he's left unsupervised, playing with meat cleavers long enough, that could very well be exactly where he ends up.

[mtbr]

I hope Derby never has a run in with a "gang" of sassy 10 year olds...we all know their all sweet an innocent they all are....especially if they're swinging meat cleavers and tossing beer cans.

[mikewood86]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Neighbours are notorious for embellishing complaints against other neghbours especially if they are feuding or are pissed of at the neighbours kids.

This is a noise complaint and the cops treated it as a drug-house raid and don't hand me some BS line about handcuffs being for the protection of the cops. It was a bunch of kids and it certainly wasn't to protect the child.

This was cops acting badly beyond belief. Now read what the kid said about the cops. He only has problem with the one "rude one". He certainly isn't attacking all cops.

Hell, this forum has seen more then enough evidence that cops can and do go way overboard. There are certainly many videos about how skaters have been abused.

If you people find this acceptable behaviour in police officers then lookout if they ever have a bad day and you say something wron got them.

So many people are just itching to blame the parents for a sitation the cops could have and should have dealt with in a farmore reasonable manner.

Thats the measure of a good officer. A good officer would have sized up the situation and dissolved it wothout resorting to gestapo tactics.

They are trained to diffuse situations and not antagonize or exacerbate them. There are plenty of scenarios on COPS where they do just that. They diffuse a situation using talking rfather then escalating it even if they are justified doing so.

This should have been solved with a simple knock on the door and a stern warning about keeping it down.

Instead we got cops who kicked in the door like it was Miami Vice and handcuffed a bloody 10 year old. Battle lines have been drawn up and people's opinions of cops have been lowered.

I don't think they are justified but even if somebody does, the cops should have handled it better being that they were trained adult cops dealing with children even if they were "technically" justified.

I wouldn't trust cops who had to resort to handcuffs on a child to handle any domestic call, traffic stop, or a damn gun for that matter.

I only want to point out that from a police officer standpoint, you can't just assume it's because they are fuiding neighbours, or the fact the one neighbour hates the meat cleaver weilding devil child from next door. If someone called the police with the information given and the police chalked it up to feuding neighbours instead of responding, you'd be all over the cops then I bet. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess.

Had they responded to it as a noise complaint, they wouldn't have had guns drawn or showed up when they did (priorities..ie murders, thefts etc.), letting a situation (involving cleavers and beer cans) possibly escalate. IT WAS THE MEAT CLEAVER AND BEER CANS THAT WARRENTED THE ACTIONS OF THE OFFICERS.

I guess there hasn't been enough children stabbed in the news yet for everyone to realize.