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Benoit
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:54 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck: Benoit Benoit: Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck: Failure to vote is a vote for the status quo. Failure to vote can be prompted by employers insisting that people work overtime in the days and even weeks before an election. LOL Are you going to provide evidence of a mass conspiracy? or is this just one possibility, however weak it is?
We need only evidences of structural short-sightedness (in Alberta).
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Wally_Sconce 
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:10 pm
Do you even work in Alberta?
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Benoit
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:17 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck: Do you even work in Alberta?
If you would know something about the origins of work as a valued activity, you would be wise enough not ask this question.
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Wally_Sconce 
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:33 pm
If you knew something about aging-rednecks, you wouldn't be trying to play games with me. I'll smash your beer bottle, and have my way with your horse just to piss you off.
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:37 pm
Benoit Benoit: Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck: Do you even work in Alberta? If you would know something about the origins of work as a valued activity, you would be wise enough not ask this question. Do you ever say anything that makes sense?
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Benoit
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:19 pm
hurley_108 hurley_108: mtbr mtbr: xerxes xerxes: And single party democracy continues in Alberta. Five parties ran...only one had the proper sneakers. Should we ban the PC because 'they had their turn"? Funny... there's only 2 parties in BC how come? No, five parties ran, two got shut out by our warped electoral system, one got relegated to non-official party status by punitive legislative rules (should be based on number of legislatures in whch they've been represented, not on how many seats they have in the current legislature) and alone with another got its seat count cut in half with only a slight shift in popular vote, and the last saw its seat count skyrocket on a similarly minor shift in popular vote. This wasn't a race about policies. This wasn't a race about leadership. This was a race about "We're the PCs, we've changed because we've gotten rid of Klein, and our leader can stick to his script and not fall on his face, so give us another resounding majority." And the voters said "Okay!"
Our "warped" electoral system is the same one used in the rest of the country so don't blame Alberta.
Where was this mass group of upset pissed off Albertans we were hearing about for the last 3 years?... not quite so big in reality I guess.
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:21 pm
tritium tritium: Huh, first I knew of the election was when I heard it on the radio election day in the car. Been living here 3 years, nothing in the mail to register to vote, no notice of the up coming election. Sorta makes me wonder if they forgot to really get the word out and give all the newcomers a chance to vote. Explains why the turn out was only 42%, they only notified the conservative voters of Alberta, they forgot to notify the other 58% Liberals who just moved to Alberta from Ontario, BC and the East Coast. Makes me wonder if I was the only Albertan to move here in the last 3 years to be forgotten about. My vote would have been Liberal too. Just an observation...
It was a conspiracy I stole your mail and blocked all TV and radio signals to your place. 
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Benoit
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:32 pm
mtbr mtbr: Where was this mass group of upset pissed off Albertans we were hearing about for the last 3 years?... not quite so big in reality I guess.
A pissed off person is handicapped by his emotion; He doesn't go out in public so not to end up in jail for assault.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:06 am
mtbr mtbr: Our "warped" electoral system is the same one used in the rest of the country so don't blame Alberta.
It's warped everywhere. That doesn't make it right. Look at the New Brunswick election of 1987.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:43 am
I find it interesting that the Libs and the NDP couldn't even match the same number of votes they got in 2004....the province has grown by over 100000 people....where are all these disenchanted Albertans?
You can blame the system all you want but its about the performance of the leaders and the myths brought on by the media.
Maybe we should put the ballot boxes in the Tim Hortons the turnout would be 100 %
All these people who couldn't find their polling stations make me laugh, they had a month but they all waited until Monday morning.
2004 Election vs 2008
Liberals 261 737 went down to 250 862
NDP 90 829 went down to 81 043
PC 416 886 went up to 501 028
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Benoit
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:53 am
mtbr mtbr: I find it interesting that the Libs and the NDP couldn't even match the same number of votes they got in 2004....the province has grown by over 100000 people....where are all these disenchanted Albertans? You can blame the system all you want but its about the performance of the leaders and the myths brought on by the media. Maybe we should put the ballot boxes in the Tim Hortons the turnout would be 100 % All these people who couldn't find their polling stations make me laugh, they had a month but they all waited until Monday morning.
If it's about the performance of the leaders, we can blame the system all we want because to have that kind of leadership, a hierarchical, undemocratic system most be in place.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:59 am
Benoit Benoit: Failure to vote can be prompted by employers insisting that people work overtime in the days and even weeks before an election.
It is illegal to force workers to work overtime in Alberta. Especially on Election days. Workers must be given time to vote while the polls are open.
That is the law.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:45 pm
mtbr mtbr: tritium tritium: Huh, first I knew of the election was when I heard it on the radio election day in the car. Been living here 3 years, nothing in the mail to register to vote, no notice of the up coming election. Sorta makes me wonder if they forgot to really get the word out and give all the newcomers a chance to vote. Explains why the turn out was only 42%, they only notified the conservative voters of Alberta, they forgot to notify the other 58% Liberals who just moved to Alberta from Ontario, BC and the East Coast. Makes me wonder if I was the only Albertan to move here in the last 3 years to be forgotten about. My vote would have been Liberal too. Just an observation... It was a conspiracy I stole your mail and blocked all TV and radio signals to your place. 
LOL.
I guess you missed the other post. It's sorta my own fault, I don't watch Canadian TV (DirecTV), listen to Sirius Radio an well and pretty much sheltered from Canadian content.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:55 pm
ridenrain ridenrain: bootlegga bootlegga: ridenrain ridenrain: I don't like to see one party win all the time but instead of punishing the party that won, why not ask why the other parties can't attract votes? On one hand we have folks gloating over a decade of Liberal majorities and here their bitching about a decade of Conservative majorities. make up you're minds. First off, it's not a decade of Conservative majorities, but EIGHT decades of conservative majorities. The UFA and Social Credit were in power since 1921...the PCs have 'only' been in power since 1971. I'll admit I voted for Ed. IMHO, he's far better than Klein and I'm hoping he doesn't treat Edmonton the way Ralphie did. If he does, I'll vote for another party in the next election, as will many other Edmontonians. And true to form, your hypocrisy stands. Where are your cries of "kool-aid drinkers" that you toss around so often when discussing diehard Liberal voters? Federal politics and provincial politics are different and because I don't follow Alberta politics, I don't make to many comments about it. Don't let the fact that the words Conservative and Liberal let you believe I'd simply come down on one side or the other. I vote for the BC liberals, after all. Obviously one side is doing something right and the other is doing something wrong. By you're sniveling, I'm guesing you're in the wrong camp. As a casual outside observer, maybe sniveliong isn't getting it done. Apparently you are illiterate as well as a hypocrite. Try and read the bolded text in my reply which you quoted...perhaps if you can decipher that you'll realize I voted PC, not Liberal. You voting for the BC liberals means nothing, as they are mostly reformed Social Credit with a few right wing Liberals thrown in for good measure. $1: The British Columbia Liberal Party is unrelated to the federal Liberal Party and does not share its ideology. Instead, the BC Liberal party is a rather diverse coalition, made up of the remnants of the Social Credit Party, many federal Liberals, federal Conservatives, and those who would otherwise support right-of-centre or free enterprise parties.
Nice try...
It's not snivelling, but rather me pointing yet another inaccuracy that you have posted, which are endemic in your posts. There is a HUGE difference between one decade and eight decades. If you are not aware how big a difference that is, then I suggest a remedial mathemathics course.
Personally, I wonder if you would be so flippant if BC had an 80+ year dynasty of left wing governments?
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