[Bacardi4206]

Haha, very nice response indeed . Here I am explaining that my post was talking about somebody elses post that sounded like him trashing Global Warming believers and here you are bashing the fact I diddn't know a simple fact about electricity? You are the master of childish arguements .

Oh and I think you will find that it is most common in human's that they don't know every single fact about everything in the world. Though you probally knew that already Mr.Smarty Pants.

[Bacardi4206]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Pluggyrug, have you not read anything I stated though?

Absolutely, and that is why I made an attempt to address the errors in your post/s.

Please understand that energy in, is equal to energy out, less standard losses such as friction, heat etc.

China is currently the worlds largest polluter.

I repeat...the electric lawn mower still requires generated electrickery provided by power stations, a lot of which are coal fired.


You need to be working on the design and production of a zero point energy device, but that would require the assistance of SG1.

Good point, though as I was saying. Due to this Global Warming Panic, countries are finding new ways to produce electricity with less polution. One of which I believe was started in Europe near Germany was a bunch of big stations that are the size roughly of light houses were placed in rough waters that had a lot of bad waves and currents generated more power then the current ways we are doing it now. This is far from finish, but seeing how it produces more power and doesn't polute because of the way it works and how its run. I think in the future other countries will be adopting it, and other ways besides that will also been invented and taken into place.

So coal mines may be bad now, but in the future as people constantly invent new ways to recieve power through more green ways. What's the point in keeping old techniques like coal?

I am talking about the FUTURE of green products, not what is in place now. Inventions don't spring out of nowhere. They take time.

Also what about wind powered?

[sasquatch2]

$1:

Also what about wind powered?

Expensive and produce piss-all power. It is estimated wind turbines cost 2-3 times the investment/KWH....compared to nuclear. 4 times the "carbon footprint" to erect and have high maintainence.

South of here along lake erie is a vast array of some 90+ turbines. The only observable change in distribution infrastructure is the the nearby roads have 3 phase lines---no massive high tension lines leaving the area. Last summer, one lightening strike caused $200,000 damage to one tower.

On one of my tours in the area, I witnessed a seagull disappear into a cloud of feathers, good stuff!!! Nobody told the eco-freaks these things are cuisinarts for migratory birds....or shit-hawks.

[ShepherdsDog]

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[commanderkai]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Oh wait, yeah nvm I know what you are talking about. My mind was blanc for a second on that. Coal is the cheapest and easiest way for that, and most commonly used yea. But because of people like Al Gore and his movie. People are stepping up on changing our ways, take cars. Half Electric, half gas and which will soon be run by corn for the gas side.

Countries are also finding better ways to produce electricity so we can soon get rid of coal versions. The best one IMO would be water, I read a show on it and it said that it generates a lot more energy then any other way. So I am going to assume that it will be more commonly active in the near future.

Soon electricity won't be polutant, and neither will be gas. All thanks to the "idiot Al Gore" who started people on this.

Yeah...right corn will save us. It only makes farmers to cut down more trees for farmland, ends crop diversification, and are energy intensive to turn into ethanol. Yeah THAT will save us

Water as in hydrogen or water as in hydroelectric? Almost all other ideas for "clean" energy is bullshit. Wind power is a complete joke, solar power is expensive and once again unable to power everything, unless you bulldoze Nevada and turn that into a solar power station. Most people bitch at nuclear and hydroelectricity even though they can help. "OOOOH GOD ITS NUCLEARRRR BE AFRAID SINCE THEY ARE USED IN NUKES...and such"

Al Gore is an idiot, and his plans will do nothing. Fusion experimentation was around long before "An Inconvenient Truth" GM designed the EV1 while Al Gore helped screw over America's chance to build more nuclear reactors.

[Congio]

Global warming... Or next ice age?

The melting of the ice may cause a new ice age, because when the ocean water gets colder, so will the rest of the planet.

As you talk about finding new sources of energy I'll tell you some realtesd stuff.

first, coal is the main source of electric energy in most parts of the world ex. Poland. Here 85% of energy is coal generated, and it doesn't seam that it'll change. Coal is called here black gold. It's cheap and useful.

Canada is lucky that it has many natural resources, such as water. If I'm not wrong, most of Quebec's power is made by water.
China on the other hand doesn't have many natural resources. That is why they want to conquerer Russian Siberia, or southern china sea full of resources.

New energy using technologies aren't in use yet because of many factors. The main is that they still coast to much. We have to wait until they won't become more popular and by that cheaper. First the very rich will use it, then the less richer, than the middle class. I say something like 40-30 years

Check out Brazil. 50% of vehicles there are alcohol propelled! They have lots of cane out of which they make alcohol. Smart eh? And most important: cheaper than gas!!



The glacier melting my be not so bad for Canada tough. Whit rising temperatures in the north Canada could get easier possibilities to reach for the natural resources over there.
Also we could get a free passage through the North-West passage thanks to which we could earn lots of money.
Colonization of the North would be a fact. Wild west is history, Wild North awaits.

I'll use Alaska's motto for Canada: Canada the last frontier. [before space colonization]

[sasquatch2]

Hate to bust your bubble but because AGW was BS....the NWP in practical terms doesn't exist. The brief minor warming has ended with a vengeance and the northern communities are stretched for supplies because that open water froze up early and thick. Currently there is a fair chance that freight which was waterborne will have to return to air-freight.

[Bacardi4206]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

$1:

Also what about wind powered?

Expensive and produce piss-all power. It is estimated wind turbines cost 2-3 times the investment/KWH....compared to nuclear. 4 times the "carbon footprint" to erect and have high maintainence.

South of here along lake erie is a vast array of some 90+ turbines. The only observable change in distribution infrastructure is the the nearby roads have 3 phase lines---no massive high tension lines leaving the area. Last summer, one lightening strike caused $200,000 damage to one tower.

On one of my tours in the area, I witnessed a seagull disappear into a cloud of feathers, good stuff!!! Nobody told the eco-freaks these things are cuisinarts for migratory birds....or shit-hawks.

Very true, we finally agree on something

[Bacardi4206]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Oh wait, yeah nvm I know what you are talking about. My mind was blanc for a second on that. Coal is the cheapest and easiest way for that, and most commonly used yea. But because of people like Al Gore and his movie. People are stepping up on changing our ways, take cars. Half Electric, half gas and which will soon be run by corn for the gas side.

Countries are also finding better ways to produce electricity so we can soon get rid of coal versions. The best one IMO would be water, I read a show on it and it said that it generates a lot more energy then any other way. So I am going to assume that it will be more commonly active in the near future.

Soon electricity won't be polutant, and neither will be gas. All thanks to the "idiot Al Gore" who started people on this.

Yeah...right corn will save us. It only makes farmers to cut down more trees for farmland, ends crop diversification, and are energy intensive to turn into ethanol. Yeah THAT will save us

Water as in hydrogen or water as in hydroelectric? Almost all other ideas for "clean" energy is bullshit. Wind power is a complete joke, solar power is expensive and once again unable to power everything, unless you bulldoze Nevada and turn that into a solar power station. Most people bitch at nuclear and hydroelectricity even though they can help. "OOOOH GOD ITS NUCLEARRRR BE AFRAID SINCE THEY ARE USED IN NUKES...and such"

Al Gore is an idiot, and his plans will do nothing. Fusion experimentation was around long before "An Inconvenient Truth" GM designed the EV1 while Al Gore helped screw over America's chance to build more nuclear reactors.

You got any better ideas commanderkai? or would you prefer to use up ALL of our gas's so when we use it all up. The future generations have to resort to corn, and other things or we can try and invent new ways now, and save future generations of having to do it because you know, oil doesn't last forever.

Oh and also people cut down tree's regardless, infact because of all these population booms they don't even bother to cut them down, they burn forests, wasting all that wood for a quick way to obtain space. There is SO much different varieties of food out there that we can eat. I am sure corn could take one for the team and be used to run our cars, rather then to run our stomaches. It's not like we will go hungry, pickup a steak, a apple, orange, or the thousands of varieties of other foods, and there still will be enough corn to make all those other varieties of foods that you enjoy so much.

Though excuse people for trying to make a better earth, they are such evil bastards aren't they? Those bloody earth do-gooders

[ziggy]

For anyone who's read the study's on mortality rates for birds and windmills it's about 1%,Cats are #1 and cars are the #2 killer. What the bird lovers/windmill opponents dont tell you is that the old ones had a high mortality rate as the birds would use the towers for nesting,the new ones they build here are smooth,there is no place for hawks,eagles or other birds to build a nest. I have the option here of having a percentage of my power come from the windmills,its a bit more expensive so I dont yet.

[Bacardi4206]

Congio Congio:

Global warming... Or next ice age?

The melting of the ice may cause a new ice age, because when the ocean water gets colder, so will the rest of the planet.

As you talk about finding new sources of energy I'll tell you some realtesd stuff.

first, coal is the main source of electric energy in most parts of the world ex. Poland. Here 85% of energy is coal generated, and it doesn't seam that it'll change. Coal is called here black gold. It's cheap and useful.

Canada is lucky that it has many natural resources, such as water. If I'm not wrong, most of Quebec's power is made by water.
China on the other hand doesn't have many natural resources. That is why they want to conquerer Russian Siberia, or southern china sea full of resources.

New energy using technologies aren't in use yet because of many factors. The main is that they still coast to much. We have to wait until they won't become more popular and by that cheaper. First the very rich will use it, then the less richer, than the middle class. I say something like 40-30 years

Check out Brazil. 50% of vehicles there are alcohol propelled! They have lots of cane out of which they make alcohol. Smart eh? And most important: cheaper than gas!!

The part above the Alcohol part is correct, and applies to pretty much everything. If we want to get into space, as in Space Tourism. The same steps have to apply, the prices are high but as soon as the rich get there thrill ride. Prices drop so more medium class people can afford to get there chance. The same thing happened with Commericial Airlines. Same thing will happen with Space Tourism, and the same thing will happen with new sources of energy.

Also if that alcohol bit is true, then there is another source.

[ziggy]

I think producing ethanol leaves a bigger carbon footprint then petroleum.