[kenmore]

come on ridenrain I was born one of 15 children in Quebec.. my Papa was a brit.. maman was quebecoise.. he was anglican , she was Catholic.. Politics and religion they told us to avoid... I never did listen its all good...

[ridenrain]

Derby:
The CPC has always been behind the mission.
The Martin government was behind the mission.
The Chretien government was behind the mission.

Dion had already made up his mind before he even went to Afghanistan, then he called NATO to attack Pakistan, then he saw some polls, changed his oppinion a couple of times.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Derby:
The CPC has always been behind the mission.
The Martin government was behind the mission.
The Chretien government was behind the mission.

Dion had already made up his mind before he even went to Afghanistan, then he called NATO to attack Pakistan, then he saw some polls, changed his oppinion a couple of times.

1) Thats not true at all. Dion supports being there to help but realizes that unless the Afghans actually take control of their country we will never win.

2) Its one thing to support a mission you feel is far different then the one it actually is.

3) You keep posting about how everybody should just stop being political yet its always you who does just that.

4) You can't post that you support the mission all the while you continually attack the very religion that forms the basis of their society.

When will you realize that the very violence of afghanistan and the taliban is because of their religion and not in spite of and that we cannot make that change for them.

[kenmore]

Martin said it was a trade off for Darfur down the road....

[Bodah]

kenmore kenmore:

Martin didnt want to continue this mission.. I never agreed with this mission and expressed those views to my late nephew.. I dont believe in war at all. I have the upmost respect for our troups, they are following orders that are handed down. I lay blame on any government that changed our mandate from peace keeping to combat. And I blame Harper for keeping them there.. I make no apology for that.. I detest the man..

Wow you hate Harper ?.... geeez I never would of geussed. And you hate Americans too double wow !!! Dont believe in war at all ? Wow how civilized of you , even WWII ? Or was WWII and american agenda as well ?

From peace keeping to combat ? oh lord say it aint so, what kind of world are we living in huh, imagine that ? Having to kill people who try to kill us how rude of us... so not Canadian.

Your living in a typical Quebecois idealistic dreamworld were your ignorantly oblivous to the changing world around you.

Pardoning me for question your sincerity when I say I dont believe you actually have a relative that died in Afghanistan, I wouldn't put it past you to make up shit like that. Because most have the decency and class to not use a relative who has passed to score political points on an internet forum to express and support your American hating garbage you spew.

[kenmore]

bodah.. the fact is my nephew was killed in October.. if I had you at arms length you would be talking out your ass. you have no idea what we have been through.. and your anti quebec bias is just that.. WW11 was not started by the US.. but this situation was..started long ago over oil and is going strong..
I am not using anyone to score points on here.. your opinion doesnt mean shit to me ..you are a fucking war mongering tory... enough said..

[RUEZ]

kenmore kenmore:

bodah.. the fact is my nephew was killed in October.. if I had you at arms length you would be talking out your ass. you have no idea what we have been through.. and your anti quebec bias is just that.. WW11 was not started by the US.. but this situation was..started long ago over oil and is going strong..
I am not using anyone to score points on here.. your opinion doesnt mean shit to me ..you are a fucking war mongering tory... enough said..

If I'm not mistaken, I think Bodah hails from Quebec so I'm not sure how anti-Quebec he is. Out of respect for you nephew I'll not say to you what I'd like, so much as to remind you that the Afghanistan war was not started over oil as you said. Since you're just a Bloc supporter I'm not sure you'll understand.

[fifeboy]

ridenrain ridenrain:

You were a little confused so I fixed that for you:

So, the Taliban attacks Canadian soldiers because they can always rely on some Canadian politicians

Ridenrain, shame on you for accusing Steven Harper of such nasty politics

ridenrain ridenrain:

who will try to rise to power, on the blood of killed Canadian soldiers, holding political power to a higher value than what's right or the blood of their sons & daughters.

Actually, I support the Afgan mission, but the idea that we, in a democracy, should not discuss it is really sad. We need to have a national debate, agree on what to do and then do it.

[fifeboy]

ridenrain ridenrain:

The Chretien government was behind the mission.

Guess you better change your card to a king, eh!

[Bodah]

kenmore kenmore:

bodah.. the fact is my nephew was killed in October.. if I had you at arms length you would be talking out your ass. you have no idea what we have been through..

You just seem to bring it up to easily and all time, which is almost everytime you bash the U.S and what were doing in Afghanistan. I see on alot forums posters that claim to be the "relatives of soldiers who have died in the middle east" who hate the U.S. and what were doing over there and want us out. You have to understand some people use this unfortunately as "credentials" to force people to agree with them. My apologies if this isn't the case.

kenmore kenmore:

and your anti quebec bias is just that..

Désolé, je suis Québécois. Mais il ya quelques gens qui pense que je suis pas vraiment Québécois parce que je suis pas "pure laine"

kenmore kenmore:

this situation was..started long ago over oil and is going strong..

So 911 was an inside job ? in your opinion or was it "just" retaliation due to U.S. foreign policy were civilians were the targets and should of just look at it as lessoned learned and done nothing after 911.

There are no excuses for terror, never.

[ridenrain]

No question, we do need to have this debate and make these decisions, but that should have happened back in 2002 when Chretien put us there in the first place.
We can also have this discussion when the mission comes up for renewal, every 5 years or so.
We definitely look weak when the Canadian media and the NDP set their hair on fire for every casualty and death.

Considering the Liberals position on Palestinian, Sri-Lankan and Sikh terrorists, I'd expect an agreement between Dion and the Taliban soon enough. Maybe that was why Dion wanted to bring Taliban prisoners to Canada. As long as they vote Liberal, anyone can be a Canadian.

[kenmore]

Ruez.. if you do your history research the middle east wars including the war on terrorism (afghanistan) started over oil.... The US has wanted to control the oil producing areas of the world.. read the history of the afghanistan war.. my nephew supported the mission in afghanistan as does his father.. my sister is neutral.. the loss of her son is surreal still and I dont rant to them.. our family is military .. my father, his father and several uncles and now aunts are military.. but some day they will have to stop the madness.

[fifeboy]

Bodah Bodah:

kenmore kenmore:

Martin didnt want to continue this mission.. I never agreed with this mission and expressed those views to my late nephew.. I dont believe in war at all. I have the upmost respect for our troups, they are following orders that are handed down. I lay blame on any government that changed our mandate from peace keeping to combat. And I blame Harper for keeping them there.. I make no apology for that.. I detest the man..

And you hate Americans too double wow !!

your American hating garbage you spew.

Where did he say these things in this post? Wow, now if you are against the CPC you hate Americans. It used to be that if you disagreed with the policies of the U.S. Government you were accused of hating Americans, now the loonie/connies include being against the CPC in their list of "Characteristics of the American Hater."

[ridenrain]

fifeboy fifeboy:

ridenrain ridenrain:

The Chretien government was behind the mission.

Guess you better change your card to a king, eh!

Maybe he could borrow something more fitting from his buddy Pinochet:

[kenmore]

"Let me make myself perfectly clear" I do not hate Americans, I do not hate Canadians,, do not hate ridenrain or sasquatch or anyone.. I have not liked Harper since I heard his bid for the amalgimation of the reform party and the tories. I have not respected the conservative view since my studies at Queens. I never have favoured war.. My opinions are mine... dont always agree with yours but I would defend to my death your right to have them..