[Daovonnaex]

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Yeah I'm sure you don't want strangers trying to pet the beaver, but do you really think that should be a jailable offense? Really?

yes. and so is rape. Don't touch my private parts, and I am the one to decide which parts of me are private...

I don't think you get to decide that at all, social norms dictate this. Think this through a little...how would you react if you touched a stranger's elbow and she sued you?

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

The most appropriate thing to do seems to be to bypass the legal system and have a husband/boyfriend/father/brother/etc. slug the guy.

Why would I want to make me so dependent, and not fight my own case?

If I can get someone so far they beat this guy up, the day after (because I was in the pub alone, without my brother that I don't have, my father that lives far away, and looking for a bf/husband ), don't you think HE would sue the one who knocked his teeth out of his mouth?

Uh, how is depending on the state somehow more independent than depending on your family?

[Sherminator333]

Beaver and elbow seems a tad different!

[Brenda]

Daovonnaex Daovonnaex:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

Yeah I'm sure you don't want strangers trying to pet the beaver, but do you really think that should be a jailable offense? Really?

yes. and so is rape. Don't touch my private parts, and I am the one to decide which parts of me are private...

I don't think you get to decide that at all, social norms dictate this. Think this through a little...how would you react if you touched a stranger's elbow and she sued you?

She can sue whatever she wants, that doesn't mean she will win. You trying to get your hands in my panties, without my consent, will make me win...

$1:

Brenda Brenda:

$1:

The most appropriate thing to do seems to be to bypass the legal system and have a husband/boyfriend/father/brother/etc. slug the guy.

Why would I want to make me so dependent, and not fight my own case?

If I can get someone so far they beat this guy up, the day after (because I was in the pub alone, without my brother that I don't have, my father that lives far away, and looking for a bf/husband ), don't you think HE would sue the one who knocked his teeth out of his mouth?

Uh, how is depending on the state somehow more independent than depending on your family?

Depending on the state? I get to decide whether I sue or not. I am the one to decide what to do with you, and I certainly don't need my poor old dad to kick your ass and have him wound up in jail because you sue him... I think I can do you better myself.
(that sounds weird )

First you claim women should not whine when they are touched by a stranger, then you tell them to get it solved by a man. What rock did you crawl from under? It is 2008 sweety, not the 1900's... Women these days can take care of themselves...

[Blue_Nose]

Daovonnaex seems incapable of understanding the simple notion that regardless of whether she presses charges or not, the "full force of the legal system" is preceisely intended to determine whether or not he was in fact guilty of a crime and whether he deserves punishment and/or she deserves compensation. That the legal question of whether or not a crime has been committed be handled by people with the professional authority to actually answer it is perhaps a novel concept to him.

I'm sure a much more "proportionate" response would be to throw out our legal system, dismiss the account of the person involved, and instead ask some idiot sitting on his ass in Wisconsin how serious he feels the situation was based on the article he read on the internet (if he read it at all), and what he feels is an appropriate reaction.

[Gunnair]

Daovonnaex Daovonnaex:

stratos stratos:

Daovonnaex Daovonnaex:

stratos stratos:

$1:

or leaving

Obviously you did not read the artical she was trying to leave the area where the TV was at when she was grabed and turned around. Poor guys should have known better then to try and FORCE someone to watch it.

Maybe these guys will learn not to put there hands on someone who does not want them to.

yeah I'm sure she put up a real struggle too

some drunken slob turned her around and she was able to leave shortly thereafter

for some reason she then felt the need to call the bar several times to lodge a complaint and then saw fit to contact the police for the terrible, terrible pain inflicted on her

Yep and leason learned for all the fools out there. When a woman says no about anything dont try to force her or your ass will end up in court.

But that's ENTIRELY out of proportion to the original offense--it's Saudi "justice".

$1:

265. (1) A person commits an assault when

(a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly;

(b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; or

(c) while openly wearing or carrying a weapon or an imitation thereof, he accosts or impedes another person or begs.

Application
(2) This section applies to all forms of assault, including sexual assault, sexual assault with a weapon, threats to a third party or causing bodily harm and aggravated sexual assault.

Consent
(3) For the purposes of this section, no consent is obtained where the complainant submits or does not resist by reason of

(a) the application of force to the complainant or to a person other than the complainant;

(b) threats or fear of the application of force to the complainant or to a person other than the complainant;

(c) fraud; or

(d) the exercise of authority.

Accused's belief as to consent
(4) Where an accused alleges that he believed that the complainant consented to the conduct that is the subject-matter of the charge, a judge, if satisfied that there is sufficient evidence and that, if believed by the jury, the evidence would constitute a defence, shall instruct the jury, when reviewing all the evidence relating to the determination of the honesty of the accused's belief, to consider the presence or absence of reasonable grounds for that belief.

R.S., c. C-34, s. 244; 1974-75-76, c. 93, s. 21; 1980-81-82-83, c. 125, s. 19.

Assault
266. Every one who commits an assault is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

R.S., c. C-34, s. 245; 1972, c. 13, s. 21; 1974-75-76, c. 93, s. 22; 1980-81-82-83, c. 125, s. 19.

Just for fun, try reading the Criminal Code of Canada.