[Brenda]

Montrealaise Montrealaise:

Brenda Brenda:

As an adult, you have freedom of choice. Yes.

And that freedom of choice means I can do what ever I want with legal thing when ever I want, especially in or on my own property.

Too bad a child doesn't have freedom of choice. I doubt they'd chose to drive in a smoke filled car.

Too bad you didn't read either

A smoker always has his/her window rolled down, that for starters. But you forget the fact, that it should be common sense not to smoke in a car with kids. Not a government regulation.

Catch my drift now?

[Montrealaise]

Brenda Brenda:

Montrealaise Montrealaise:

Brenda Brenda:

As an adult, you have freedom of choice. Yes.

And that freedom of choice means I can do what ever I want with legal thing when ever I want, especially in or on my own property.

Too bad a child doesn't have freedom of choice. I doubt they'd chose to drive in a smoke filled car.

Too bad you didn't read either

A smoker always has his/her window rolled down, that for starters. But you forget the fact, that it should be common sense not to smoke in a car with kids. Not a government regulation.

Catch my drift now?

Oh yeah, I get your drift. You agree that it's a bad thing, you just don't think we need a law to regulate it.

Unfortunately, not all smokers drive with the window down. And yes it should be common sense to not smoke in the car in the presence of a child, but it's not. We have to regulate against stupid people.

[Brenda]

Montrealaise Montrealaise:

Brenda Brenda:

Montrealaise Montrealaise:

Brenda Brenda:

As an adult, you have freedom of choice. Yes.

And that freedom of choice means I can do what ever I want with legal thing when ever I want, especially in or on my own property.

Too bad a child doesn't have freedom of choice. I doubt they'd chose to drive in a smoke filled car.

Too bad you didn't read either

A smoker always has his/her window rolled down, that for starters. But you forget the fact, that it should be common sense not to smoke in a car with kids. Not a government regulation.

Catch my drift now?

Oh yeah, I get your drift. You agree that it's a bad thing, you just don't think we need a law to regulate it.

Unfortunately, not all smokers drive with the window down. And yes it should be common sense to not smoke in the car in the presence of a child, but it's not. We have to regulate against stupid people.

My point is, if it is so bad, if smoking is so bad for everybody health, that you have to make a law against smoking in a car with kids (my personal propery, btw, the car and the smokes...), wouldn't it be easier (and more fair) to make a law against smoking, period? Make smoking illegal? Make selling cigarettes illegal? Make manufacture cigarettes illegal?

For your latest comment, "we have to regulate against stupid people" I have only one comment... Kill stupid people

(yes, I am being sarcastic.)

[Montrealaise]

Leaving aside the killing of stupid people, let's be realistic. If so many people are up in arms about no smoking in public places, there would be a revolution if smoking was banned altogether.

What consenting adults do of their own free will is their own business. I very much agree with suffering the consequences of your actions. If you live in a smoke filled house, smoke filled car, and get health repercussions because of this, so be it.

But there is nothing sadder than seeing a baby in a car seat and Mom or Dad at the wheel with a cigarette. Hell, my Dad used to pull out a cigar and smoke it in the car, in winter when you couldn't really open the windows more than a crack).

(On an aside, I am an ex-smoker. Now that I don't smoke, I realize what a horrible, smelly, dirty habit it is. I can't believe my friends and family put up with it and let me smoke in their homes. And I can live with the extra 10- 15 pounds that I gained when I stopped).

[Brenda]

Montrealaise Montrealaise:

Leaving aside the killing of stupid people, let's be realistic. If so many people are up in arms about no smoking in public places, there would be a revolution if smoking was banned altogether.

Exactly I can't wait to see it

$1:

What consenting adults do of their own free will is their own business. I very much agree with suffering the consequences of your actions. If you live in a smoke filled house, smoke filled car, and get health repercussions because of this, so be it.

I agree wholeheartedly

$1:

But there is nothing sadder than seeing a baby in a car seat and Mom or Dad at the wheel with a cigarette. Hell, my Dad used to pull out a cigar and smoke it in the car, in winter when you couldn't really open the windows more than a crack).

I agree with you again. Still, back in those days, it was common to smoke, and you got your first cigarette from your parents.
Now that that has changed, and the now living generation has some common sense about it, personally, I feel the government should back off, and give people a break. Making smoking in cars with kids illegal won't do any good. People will still smoke in cars, still with kids. But the officers who are supposed to catch criminals, will be the ones to fine you for smoking in your convertible... That is just plain stupid.

$1:

(On an aside, I am an ex-smoker. Now that I don't smoke, I realize what a horrible, smelly, dirty habit it is. I can't believe my friends and family put up with it and let me smoke in their homes. And I can live with the extra 10- 15 pounds that I gained when I stopped).

So am I, and I was a heavy one. Quit 9 years ago, and am damned proud about it.
I agree with you about the smelly, dirty habit. But there are so many more smelly dirty habits, that are not banned. Like letting your car run for 20 minutes "to get it nice and warm inside before you go to work".

I think the government is overreacting here, and should advise, not ban.

[newfette]

I think smoking in your own car is one thing.. but smoking in a confined area with children who have no other choice but to inhale the second had smoke is something completly different

[Brenda]

newfette newfette:

I think smoking in your own car is one thing.. but smoking in a confined area with children who have no other choice but to inhale the second had smoke is something completly different

Sure, but is it up to the government to decide what you do with legal stuff in or on your own property?

That is the point here...

[Brenda]

No, it isn't. Because driving drunk is a crime. You cannot compare drinking to smoking, that makes no sense at all.

[kitty]

Brenda Brenda:

newfette newfette:

I think smoking in your own car is one thing.. but smoking in a confined area with children who have no other choice but to inhale the second had smoke is something completly different

Sure, but is it up to the government to decide what you do with legal stuff in or on your own property?

That is the point here...

It is someone's responsibility to decide and in a perfect world it should be the parent's but who is going to care about your children health if you don't?

it takes a village to raise a child

[Montrealaise]

Brenda Brenda:

newfette newfette:

I think smoking in your own car is one thing.. but smoking in a confined area with children who have no other choice but to inhale the second had smoke is something completly different

Sure, but is it up to the government to decide what you do with legal stuff in or on your own property?

That is the point here...

May I assume that you are against any law banning cellular phones while driving? How about the seatbelt law, or the piling of people in the back of a pick up. Or wearing a helmet on a motorcycle.

My point is this is purely a safety/health issue. I don't see it as a law restricting freedom.

[Brenda]

Well, so it is in Holland, so no difference there. There is a huge difference between drinking and smoking. If you don't see that, there is nothing I can do about it.

[Brenda]

Exactly.. Some. But of course, it will be all, and like I mentioned before, I'd rather see the law-enforcement chase after the mugger of your grandma, then fining my neighbour who is smoking in his convertible.

[Brenda]

The fact that there apparently needs to be a law for baby seats? Yeah, I have a problem with that. You know why? Because it should be common sense.

I haven't heard you about my point of banning smoking completely, though. Why is that?

[kitty]

Smoking affects more that just you, it affects those around you... including your children and your grandma equally. If you could smoke and not interfer with the health of others than the gov't would not have to institute such laws.

You can swing your arms in any and every direction and there is no laws to stop you until to touch me and then you had better believe that the police will be called.

[Montrealaise]

Brenda Brenda:

The fact that there apparently needs to be a law for baby seats? Yeah, I have a problem with that. You know why? Because it should be common sense.

In a perfect world, you wouldn't need any laws.

Obviously, we don't live in a perfect world.