[stratos]

RUEZ RUEZ:

stratos stratos:

lily lily:

Tricks Tricks:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Tricks Tricks:

tritium tritium:

I'm all for defending my own home.

But if someone is breaking into my neighbors home, I will call the police.

This could have turned out even more tragic. What if Mr. Horn went over to stop the intruders and the actual home owner thought he was a burgler and shot him.

Let the Police deal with it, they are the professionals. (most of the time)

The home owner wasn't there...

But you raise an interesting point, what if he was there, and Mr. Horn went over to help the guy out, for fear of him not being able to protect himself? What would you guys say then?

It's an entirely different story if you are protecting someone. Let's not muddy the waters with what if's.

No I know it`s different, just seeing how it would change the opinion.

Good point though.

What if the burglars were decorated veterans suffering from PTSD? What then?

And what if they were a couple of hot young gals with hungry kids at home?

Would that affect your opinion?

Well in that case I'm sure RUEZ would do a donation drive to help out these poor people that stoop so low as to steal other peoples property.

WTF? You want to discuss this are do you want to act like a child?

Why you were so happy to have the man raise money for the victim of the theft but now you dont want to do it yourself? Interesting that when your own thoughts are applied to you that you start acting like its wrong to say.

[stratos]

Tritium, Ruez, and Lilly are argueing from a morale point saying that under no circumstance should the theifs have been shoot. What they are failing to understand (I think) is that the man is possibly with in the rights as the law is currently written. Thus the hesitation on his being arrested and or prosicuted. IF he is taken to trial the verdict will solidify the law one way or another in reguards to situations like this.

[RUEZ]

stratos stratos:

RUEZ RUEZ:

stratos stratos:

lily lily:

Tricks Tricks:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Tricks Tricks:

tritium tritium:

I'm all for defending my own home.

But if someone is breaking into my neighbors home, I will call the police.

This could have turned out even more tragic. What if Mr. Horn went over to stop the intruders and the actual home owner thought he was a burgler and shot him.

Let the Police deal with it, they are the professionals. (most of the time)

The home owner wasn't there...

But you raise an interesting point, what if he was there, and Mr. Horn went over to help the guy out, for fear of him not being able to protect himself? What would you guys say then?

It's an entirely different story if you are protecting someone. Let's not muddy the waters with what if's.

No I know it`s different, just seeing how it would change the opinion.

Good point though.

What if the burglars were decorated veterans suffering from PTSD? What then?

And what if they were a couple of hot young gals with hungry kids at home?

Would that affect your opinion?

Well in that case I'm sure RUEZ would do a donation drive to help out these poor people that stoop so low as to steal other peoples property.

WTF? You want to discuss this are do you want to act like a child?

Why you were so happy to have the man raise money for the victim of the theft but now you dont want to do it yourself? Interesting that when your own thoughts are applied to you that you start acting like its wrong to say.

You are saying I should raise money for the people that have to steal. Why?

[RUEZ]

stratos stratos:

Tritium, Ruez, and Lilly are argueing from a morale point saying that under no circumstance should the theifs have been shoot..

You could not be more wrong if you tried. I am arguing that this man did not have the right to kill these men as he was not defending himself, his property, or anyone else. He, on his own admission didn't want these men to get away with the theft. That's not an acceptable excuse to use deadly force.

[stratos]

RUEZ RUEZ:

stratos stratos:

Tritium, Ruez, and Lilly are argueing from a morale point saying that under no circumstance should the theifs have been shoot..

You could not be more wrong if you tried. I am arguing that this man did not have the right to kill these men as he was not defending himself, his property, or anyone else. He, on his own admission didn't want these men to get away with the theft. That's not an acceptable excuse to use deadly force.

Under the law that is given in the artical its a bit vauge if he does or does not have the right to shoot them.

[stratos]

RUEZ RUEZ:

stratos stratos:

RUEZ RUEZ:

stratos stratos:

lily lily:

Tricks Tricks:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Tricks Tricks:

tritium tritium:

I'm all for defending my own home.

But if someone is breaking into my neighbors home, I will call the police.

This could have turned out even more tragic. What if Mr. Horn went over to stop the intruders and the actual home owner thought he was a burgler and shot him.

Let the Police deal with it, they are the professionals. (most of the time)

The home owner wasn't there...

But you raise an interesting point, what if he was there, and Mr. Horn went over to help the guy out, for fear of him not being able to protect himself? What would you guys say then?

It's an entirely different story if you are protecting someone. Let's not muddy the waters with what if's.

No I know it`s different, just seeing how it would change the opinion.

Good point though.

What if the burglars were decorated veterans suffering from PTSD? What then?

And what if they were a couple of hot young gals with hungry kids at home?

Would that affect your opinion?

Well in that case I'm sure RUEZ would do a donation drive to help out these poor people that stoop so low as to steal other peoples property.

WTF? You want to discuss this are do you want to act like a child?

Why you were so happy to have the man raise money for the victim of the theft but now you dont want to do it yourself? Interesting that when your own thoughts are applied to you that you start acting like its wrong to say.

You are saying I should raise money for the people that have to steal. Why?

It was sarcasim as in ROOLing my eyes at the diffrent WHAT IF'S that were being presented.

[tritium]

stratos stratos:

Or maybe he was wanting to protect a neighbor that he knew was not to well off and that they had scraped and saved to obtain the few things they did have.

Shit.

Take a look at this video where they protest in from of Joe Horns house. Million dollar homes in Pasadena, TX.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5998&hl=en

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/12032007b.shtml

[stratos]

lily lily:

RUEZ RUEZ:

stratos stratos:

Tritium, Ruez, and Lilly are argueing from a morale point saying that under no circumstance should the theifs have been shoot..

You could not be more wrong if you tried. I am arguing that this man did not have the right to kill these men as he was not defending himself, his property, or anyone else. He, on his own admission didn't want these men to get away with the theft. That's not an acceptable excuse to use deadly force.

What he said.

Then what grounds are you argueing on because as I've stated the law in some ways says he can do what he did and in some ways says he cant. There is no case law dealing with this type of circumstance sense the law was inacted. So please if your not argueing on morale grounds what grounds are you makeing your stance on?

[stratos]

tritium tritium:

stratos stratos:

Or maybe he was wanting to protect a neighbor that he knew was not to well off and that they had scraped and saved to obtain the few things they did have.

Shit.

Take a look at this video where they protest in from of Joe Horns house. Million dollar homes in Pasadena, TX.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5998&hl=en

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/12032007b.shtml

So because they are rich its ok to rob them?

[stratos]

lily lily:

stratos stratos:

lily lily:

RUEZ RUEZ:

stratos stratos:

Tritium, Ruez, and Lilly are argueing from a morale point saying that under no circumstance should the theifs have been shoot..

You could not be more wrong if you tried. I am arguing that this man did not have the right to kill these men as he was not defending himself, his property, or anyone else. He, on his own admission didn't want these men to get away with the theft. That's not an acceptable excuse to use deadly force.

What he said.

Then what grounds are you argueing on because as I've stated the law in some ways says he can do what he did and in some ways says he cant. There is no case law dealing with this type of circumstance sense the law was inacted. So please if your not argueing on morale grounds what grounds are you makeing your stance on?

The law states he can protect himself and/or his property, neither of which was in danger when he made the decision to shoot.

Two theifs who just commited a burgerly had just gone onto his property. Sounds like he could be protecting his property to me.

[stratos]

You left out the middle of the event that says:

As time passed with no sign of the police, Horn became anxious that the men would get away. "Hurry up man, catch these guys, will you?" he asked before noting that "the laws have been changed" since Sept. 1, when S.B. 378 went into effect in the state, giving victims the right to use firearms against intruders on their property.

About six minutes into the call, Horn said he saw one of the men "coming out the window right now. I got to go, buddy. I'm sorry, but he's coming out the window."

So more then 20 seconds went by before he acted. Giving police time to get there depending on how far out in their patrol area the neighborhood is.

Then there is this after what you Quoted:

Despite a request from the dispatcher for Horn not to go outside, the next sound on the recording of the call is him shouting, "Move, you're dead!" Moments later, three shotgun blasts were fired.

When Horn returned to the phone, he told the dispatcher: "Get the law over here quick. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice."

Thus they were on his property when he shot.

[tritium]

...and if he did not go outside to confront him, they would not have come onto his property.

The guy was looking to shoot them.

However, from living in Texas myself, I am aware that when you call the cops it sometimes can take a while.

The joke was; "by the time the cops make it to the scene of the crime, the bad guys will already be in the next state."

[stratos]

lily lily:

$1:

They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice."

He made his choice long before he went outside.

And they made their choice to steal, knowing that there is a chance that someone would shoot them for it.

*getting busy at work here so got to log I'll try and catch up when I get home*

Nice to debate without name calling, Sorry you took the comment personaly there RUEZ was ment along the lines of sarcasim joke not personel attack.

[hurley_108]

Tricks Tricks:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

Tricks Tricks:

tritium tritium:

I'm all for defending my own home.

But if someone is breaking into my neighbors home, I will call the police.

This could have turned out even more tragic. What if Mr. Horn went over to stop the intruders and the actual home owner thought he was a burgler and shot him.

Let the Police deal with it, they are the professionals. (most of the time)

The home owner wasn't there...

But you raise an interesting point, what if he was there, and Mr. Horn went over to help the guy out, for fear of him not being able to protect himself? What would you guys say then?

It's an entirely different story if you are protecting someone. Let's not muddy the waters with what if's.

"What if"s are Tricks' specialty.

And apparently being a dick is yours.

Dude, you "what if"ed the insurance thread into a discussion about racism in the courts. I'm just stating the facts.

[tritium]

stratos stratos:

tritium tritium:

stratos stratos:

Or maybe he was wanting to protect a neighbor that he knew was not to well off and that they had scraped and saved to obtain the few things they did have.

Shit.

Take a look at this video where they protest in from of Joe Horns house. Million dollar homes in Pasadena, TX.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5998&hl=en

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/12032007b.shtml

So because they are rich its ok to rob them?

My post was a rebuttal to yours, where you were saying he was probably protecting his neighbors home because they were poor.

Poor or rich, nobody should be victimized.

Poor or rich, nobody should take the law into their own hands.

There was no threat to any person, so there was no reason to confront the individuals.

If a person or persons where being hurt, that's a different scenario. There was no threat of bodly harm, until he confronted the individals.