[peck420]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Did you want Alberta to take a Skroog McDuck approach? “It’s mine, mine... they were rolling in dough during the good years, didn’t save and now it hurts. Learn a lesson from it.

Yes!

It has been good for every province that has taken that stance.

And no, not everyone pays taxes. Just the middle class, the poor, and the stupid.

[fifeboy]

peck420 peck420:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Did you want Alberta to take a Skroog McDuck approach? “It’s mine, mine... they were rolling in dough during the good years, didn’t save and now it hurts. Learn a lesson from it.

1-Yes!

It has been good for every province that has taken that stance.

2-And no, not everyone pays taxes. Just the middle class, the poor, and the stupid.

1- has it?
I believe Ontario adds a few penny’s to the purse. Been doing it for at least a few years.

2- good point.

[PluggyRug]

[BRAH]

Rachel Notley deserves credit for this not Jason Kenney. As for John Horgan he knew Trans Mountain was going to get approved but had to grandstand with the Green Party opposing it to keep his Government in power.

[peck420]

fifeboy fifeboy:

1- has it?
I believe Ontario adds a few penny’s to the purse. Been doing it for at least a few years.

Yes.

The fact that your only recourse was the fiscal aspect shows pretty conclusively how out of depth you are here.

Money is the grease. Nobody cares about it when you have it, or when you don't need it. It is only when the engine is running and the temp gauges bury that most even think about it. Shame that point is far to late.

The power, the decision making ability, and the ability to scuttle anything, whether it involves you or not, is the problem.

And in that forum, yes, the whinier the province or group, the more power they have in Canada.

I find it amusingly hypocritical that so many panties have bunched up in here, when almost every single sentence I have put forward has been nothing more than what has been said about Alberta for the last 30 years.

I find it even more amusing that the reason this has the RoC on edge is because they know precisely how effective it is.

[Thanos]

Ontario debt at almost $350 billion:

http://www.debtclock.ca/provincial-debt ... io-s-debt/

Any other "better managed than you rednecks" sort of provinces Alberta needs to take a lesson from on how to run our place properly?

[llama66]

Ontario has the largest debt of ANY sub-sovereign entity on earth, so hey...You're number 1!!!

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

Ontario debt at almost $350 billion:

http://www.debtclock.ca/provincial-debt ... io-s-debt/

Any other "better managed than you rednecks" sort of provinces Alberta needs to take a lesson from on how to run our place properly?

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[Thanos]

Laugh or cry, live or die, why not both? Nothing anywhere will ever be sane again.

[peck420]

Thanos Thanos:

Laugh or cry, live or die, why not both? Nothing anywhere will ever be sane again.

Don't be such a Debbie Downer!

History says that if we send approx 10% of our male population to die, we get a mulligan.

Again....self sustainment at the forefront....soylent green can make this economical, environmental, and tasty!

[rickc]

peck420 peck420:

fifeboy fifeboy:

1- has it?
I believe Ontario adds a few penny’s to the purse. Been doing it for at least a few years.

Yes.

The fact that your only recourse was the fiscal aspect shows pretty conclusively how out of depth you are here.

Money is the grease. Nobody cares about it when you have it, or when you don't need it. It is only when the engine is running and the temp gauges bury that most even think about it. Shame that point is far to late.

The power, the decision making ability, and the ability to scuttle anything, whether it involves you or not, is the problem.

And in that forum, yes, the whinier the province or group, the more power they have in Canada.

I find it amusingly hypocritical that so many panties have bunched up in here, when almost every single sentence I have put forward has been nothing more than what has been said about Alberta for the last 30 years.

I find it even more amusing that the reason this has the RoC on edge is because they know precisely how effective it is.

+5 You have been knocking it out of the park in this thread!

[peck420]

BRAH BRAH:

Rachel Notley deserves credit for this not Jason Kenney. As for John Horgan he knew Trans Mountain was going to get approved but had to grandstand with the Green Party opposing it to keep his Government in power.

I have to disagree.

Notley, Kenny, Trudeau, Horgan, Weaver et al, all deserve their due credit.

For using the strife of their constituents for political points.

We can still hang persons for treason, correct? All of them are deserving.

All of them are epic fucking failures and don't deserve the air they receive for free.

This should never have been a political debate...EVER!

It should always be an economic and scientific one. Preferably an independent economic and scientific one. Is it beneficial? Is it safe? Can we do better at both? None of these will ever be answered honestly by politicians.

The second anything becomes "political", it is no longer being given the cause, nor concern, it should be afforded. It has failed before it has even begun.

[Thanos]

Technically it's not treason by any of them. It's really just the traditional screw-your-neighbours & fuck-you of Canadian politics taken to the nth degree. The corrosion that this issue has left behind though probably isn't repairable. It's been the kind of experience that sinks deep into the steel and eats away at it from the inside.

[Sunnyways]

As is obvious already, Trudeau will get heat from the left and no thanks from Alberta for this decision. It's a gutsy move to make in an election year.

[peck420]

Thanos Thanos:

Technically it's not treason by any of them.

Actually.....

Laughably....

Ironically even?....

Yes it is.

Both by Canadian Law, and by British Law ( I can source this if you would like, but it is High Treason to break your oath to the Crown).

In Canada, waging war against Canadians is High Treason.

Canadian Criminal Code (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-46):

$1:

High treason
46 (1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada,
(a) kills or attempts to kill Her Majesty, or does her any bodily harm tending to death or destruction, maims or wounds her, or imprisons or restrains her;
(b) levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto; or
(c) assists an enemy at war with Canada, or any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities, whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are.

War is defined as (Merriam):

$1:

Definition of war
(Entry 1 of 4)
1a(1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations
(2) : a period of such armed conflict
(3) : state of war
b : the art or science of warfare
c(1) obsolete : weapons and equipment for war
(2) archaic : soldiers armed and equipped for war
2a : a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism
b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end a class war a war against disease
c : variance, odds sense 2

See entries 2a & 2b.

In UK, breaching your Oath of Allegiance is High Treason. The Queen swore that she would uphold the laws of those governed, which would defer to Canadian Law...see above.

The only real question is why the public has not yet used these laws to our advantage?

I don't get a hand in writing these laws, nor the definitions of the words....but fuck me do I like abusing them this way.