[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

raydan raydan:

So we [Canadians] should do nothing since we're not polluting [much?]

Fixed that for you and here's your answer (from the article.)

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There are simple solutions available to us that don’t involve heavy-handed bans. First, we could focus more strictly on limiting how plastics end up in our rivers, lakes and streams. Better recycling programs and stricter littering prohibitions could go a long way to curbing the plastic Canada does contribute. For those single-use products that otherwise end up in landfills, we could follow Sweden’s lead, and incinerate that waste. Doing so creates a power source for local communities, while capturing airborne toxins, limiting toxic runoff, and significantly reducing the volume of waste.

Good public policy should address a real problem and should make a meaningful impact on the said problem. Unfortunately, Trudeau’s proposed single-use plastics ban would have little to no impact on overall ocean waste, while promoting high-impact alternatives, and inflating costs for consumers. All three of these factored together create a fairly toxic policy mix.

Why didn’t you share the link for that quote?

Because it had already been given out two posts above it TWICE and the article had been referenced as the one Ray was replying to.

I mean seriously, Beave...things that make you go

Get a grip, Bud.

[BeaverFever]

Alright alright still my criticism of the article id valid. The problem cannot be solved on the discharge end alone. Also if the first world countries move away from plastics then the third world polluters will change also since a significant part their current plastic production is for export to first world markets Once their industry evolves to a more sustainable standard it will likely change how they produce plastic for domestic consumption. The Chinese factory that currently produces single use coffee cup lids for domestic and global markets is probably not going to split into 2 factories, one for responsible plastic export and another for continued irresponsible domestic Chinese use; they will probably evolve their product to keep their global contacts and that will eventually change what they produce for domestic use.

[N_Fiddledog]

[N_Fiddledog]

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More than half of the plastic waste that flows into the oceans comes from just five countries: China, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam and Sri Lanka.

The only industrialized western country on the list of top 20 plastic polluters is the United States at No. 20.

The U.S. and Europe are not mismanaging their collected waste, so the plastic trash coming from those countries is due to litter, researchers said.

While China is responsible for 2.4 million tons of plastic that makes its way into the ocean, nearly 28 percent of the world total, the United States contributes just 77,000 tons, which is less than one percent, according to the study published in the journal Science.

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=108585

And Canada is 1/10th the population of the US. So we would be responsible for less than point zero one [.01] of a percent of the plastic that makes it way into the ocean. And Trudeau is making a campaign promise that he'll fix this by what? Banning all single use plastics with the possible exception of the plastic inlays in his water-boxes?

Why don't we just do better at cleaning up our .01 percent of the problem and pressure the remaining 99.99 percent to do a better job cleaning up theirs.

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At least in Austin, the P. Terry’s Burger Stand chain, with their colorful midcentury modern Googie-influenced buildings, has the right idea: for everyday normal people, the plastic straw dispenser is fully loaded, but there is a “paper straws available on request” sign at the cash register, for those wishing to virtue signal their eco-wokeness.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/333437/

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

$1:

More than half of the plastic waste that flows into the oceans comes from just five countries: China, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam and Sri Lanka.

The only industrialized western country on the list of top 20 plastic polluters is the United States at No. 20.

The U.S. and Europe are not mismanaging their collected waste, so the plastic trash coming from those countries is due to litter, researchers said.

While China is responsible for 2.4 million tons of plastic that makes its way into the ocean, nearly 28 percent of the world total, the United States contributes just 77,000 tons, which is less than one percent, according to the study published in the journal Science.

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=108585

And Canada is 1/10th the population of the US. So we would be responsible for less than point zero one [.01] of a percent of the plastic that makes it way into the ocean. And Trudeau is making a campaign promise that he'll fix this by what? Banning all single use plastics with the possible exception of the plastic inlays in his water-boxes?

Why don't we just do better at cleaning up our .01 percent of the problem and pressure the remaining 99.99 percent to do a better job cleaning up theirs.

$1:

At least in Austin, the P. Terry’s Burger Stand chain, with their colorful midcentury modern Googie-influenced buildings, has the right idea: for everyday normal people, the plastic straw dispenser is fully loaded, but there is a “paper straws available on request” sign at the cash register, for those wishing to virtue signal their eco-wokeness.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/333437/

Conservative logic: Canada should legalize murder since we’re only responsible for a fraction of the worlds murders.

There is no reason to create unnecessary garbage that doesn’t decompose, just for 30 seconds of beverage drinking when suitable alternatives are readily available.

This is just the conservative opposition defiance disorder where you guys adopt absurd and unreasonable positions on issues just because it’s the opposite of a liberals position. That, plus a lot of your anti-environment views are just propaganda distributed and paid for by big polluters

[herbie]

Did you not think these same buggers would dredge the Internet to find reason to not even try to do anything?
Drinking straws are too much to give up for these guys.

[DrCaleb]

herbie herbie:

Drinking straws are too much to give up for these guys.

^^

It's like they never learnt to drink from a cup.

[raydan]

I haven't seen so much outrage since the Kinder Surprise border seizures.

[DrCaleb]

We will never forget the Kinder Outrage.

Bart still smuggles them across, from time to time.

[raydan]

Gluten-free straws...

https://ca.haystraws.com/collections/sh ... c7EALw_wcB

[DrCaleb]

"There's a sucker born every minute"

[DrCaleb]

(a little double entendre, in case you missed it)

[stratos]

Ever taken a close look at a glass you are about to drink from at a bar or a restaurant. You might rethink banning straws if you do.

[raydan]

stratos stratos:

Ever taken a close look at a glass you are about to drink from at a bar or a restaurant. You might rethink banning straws if you do.

If it's on the glass, it's in the glass... so forget the straws and forget drinking at bars or restaurants.

[stratos]

raydan raydan:

stratos stratos:

Ever taken a close look at a glass you are about to drink from at a bar or a restaurant. You might rethink banning straws if you do.

If it's on the glass, it's in the glass... so forget the straws and forget drinking at bars or restaurants.

So that lipstick and greasy finger print smear on the outside of the glass also contaminates the inside of the glass and the liquid?