[BRAH]

"ROLL TIDE!"

[Tricks]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

xerxes xerxes:

That’s all well and good. But we’re talking about Alabama here. Not Georgia. And Alabama’s bill makes Georgia’s look all touchy feels by comparison.

Plus the irony of a bunch of Canadian white boys discussing what women can do with their bodies in the Southern US.

I think the difference is we're saying that we shouldn't have any input on what women can do with their bodies.

[stratos]

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Why should pro-choice people stop telling people about abortion? The people still have a CHOICE. Unlike the anti-choice movement, pro-choice isn’t trying to FORCE anyone to do anything.

As for anti-choicers, they’re free to try and convince people of their ideas but they’re not free to swarm women outside clinics or force the women to run a gauntlet while being insulted screamed at. The anti-choicers should have to stay away from the clinics and doctors offices.

I'll agree as long as you don't indoctrinate in schools any more. If you insist on being allowed into schools then so should pro-life. And sense you wish to call them anti-choicers I'll point this out to you. You are pro-choice so if they chose to sleep with the guy and got pregnant well guess what they already made their choice when the slept with him. Yep that's their one choice then.

[Tricks]

stratos stratos:

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Why should pro-choice people stop telling people about abortion? The people still have a CHOICE. Unlike the anti-choice movement, pro-choice isn’t trying to FORCE anyone to do anything.

As for anti-choicers, they’re free to try and convince people of their ideas but they’re not free to swarm women outside clinics or force the women to run a gauntlet while being insulted screamed at. The anti-choicers should have to stay away from the clinics and doctors offices.

I'll agree as long as you don't indoctrinate in schools any more. If you insist on being allowed into schools then so should pro-life. And sense you wish to call them anti-choicers I'll point this out to you. You are pro-choice so if they chose to sleep with the guy and got pregnant well guess what they already made their choice when the slept with him. Yep that's their one choice then.

I mean if we're going to bring up schools, might want to make sure your schools don't have dogshit sex-ed that increases the likelihood of teen pregnancy by attempting to teach abstinence.

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Alabama doesn't require sex education in schools. Schools systems that do teach it are required to emphasize abstinence, but can include information about different methods of contraception. Despite the state's abstinence-emphasized curriculum, Alabama has some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy and STI rates in the country.

https://www.al.com/news/2019/04/alabama ... n-law.html

This bassackwards state doesn't even require sex-ed in schools.

[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

That’s all well and good. But we’re talking about Alabama here. Not Georgia. And Alabama’s bill makes Georgia’s look all touchy feels by comparison.

Really? Glad you're on board with the new Georgia law then but you know what you need to do about Alabama? Join the sex strike.

[PluggyRug]

[BRAH]

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[Thanos]

Tricks Tricks:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

xerxes xerxes:

That’s all well and good. But we’re talking about Alabama here. Not Georgia. And Alabama’s bill makes Georgia’s look all touchy feels by comparison.

Plus the irony of a bunch of Canadian white boys discussing what women can do with their bodies in the Southern US.

I think the difference is we're saying that we shouldn't have any input on what women can do with their bodies.

We can have input and opinion on the issue but we absolutely can't be the ones to make the final decision. Under no circumstances is it ever a male's choice to make.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

As for anti-choicers, they’re free to try and convince people of their ideas but they’re not free to swarm women outside clinics or force the women to run a gauntlet while being insulted screamed at. The anti-choicers should have to stay away from the clinics and doctors offices.

I think I can help you out again, Beave.

This time you seem confused about what Stratos is telling you.

Stratos is correct. It happens. People pray in front of Planned Parenthood for dead babies.

And you may be wrong about how free they are to do it. They suffer prog-attacks from time to time.

Nobody got kicked or punched this time (which is a common MO) but there was a recent case where Democrat rep Brian Simms was verbally attacking an old lady who was standing outside a PP office praying.



He also launched a barrage of insults against a couple of teenage girls who were doing the same thing. He petitioned the audience of his life podcast to help him dox those girls so they could be further harassed. In fact he offered to pay informers.



And as an added bonus here's a YouTuber who does comedy laughing at Democratic rep Brian Simms for being ridiculous (not to mention, gutless):

Meanwhile anti-choice nuts murder doctors, and shoot up and bomb clinics and publish hit lists online. Keep your prayers to yourself and away from the clinics.

[FieryVulpine]

raydan raydan:

How do we know we're all white... and all Canadians... and all boys for that matter?

Did you just assume my gender? I'll have you know I identify as half a grilled cheese sandwich!

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Meanwhile anti-choice nuts murder doctors, and shoot up and bomb clinics and publish hit lists online. Keep your prayers to yourself and away from the clinics.

Really? When was the last time that happened? 2 years ago wasn't it? Some psycho took over a "clinic" and started shooting into the parking lot. Nobody in the "clinic" was hurt. I think there was a mad bomber incident a couple years before that. About a decade ago some abortionist was shot by some other nutcase.

But this business of hitting, kicking doxing, harassing women who don't share the opinion of you and yours that's a pretty constant thing, isn't it? And they aren't crazy. At least I hope not. They seem to talk a lot like you, don't they?

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Now as to the actual topic of this thread, here's one:

The Media Are Lying To You About Georgia's Pro-Life 'Heartbeat Bill.' Here's The Truth.

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The media have been working overtime to frame Georgia’s new pro-life legislation, known commonly as the “heartbeat bill,” as harmful to women, instead of what it actually is: protection for unborn children with beating hearts.

The law, signed by Governor Brian Kemp (R-GA) last week, bans abortion after a heartbeat is detected, which happens around six weeks gestation. It does not punish mothers.

Business Insider: “Women could get up to 30 years in prison for having a miscarriage under Georgia’s harsh new abortion law.”

Slate: “Georgia just criminalized abortion. Women who terminate their pregnancies would receive life in prison.”

The Week: “Georgia’s ‘heartbeat’ abortion bill could imprison women for life.”

Glamour: “Women who have an abortion in Georgia could be sentenced to life in prison.”
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[color=#000000]As noted by Rich Lowry at The New York Post (emphasis added): “The relevant section of Georgia’s abortion law makes it clear that it applies to third parties, and has been interpreted as such by the Georgia courts. Nor does it call for life imprisonment of anyone.”

In other words, an abortionist providing an illegal abortion, or a man beating a woman and killing her baby, would be in deep legal trouble for murder; not the woman so-called “self-terminating.”

French provides more in-depth coverage of the legalese surrounding the law's implications. “The heartbeat bill did not repeal a number of Georgia criminal statutes that explicitly apply to abortions and unborn children, and it does not overrule controlling legal authority holding that these statutes bar prosecution of a woman for terminating her own pregnancy,” the conservative columnist explained. He also went through explicit statutes:

First, there is a specific code section that applies to unlawful abortions. Georgia Code Section 16-12-140 states:

(a) A person commits the offense of criminal abortion when, in violation of Code Section 16-12-141 , he or she administers any medicine, drugs, or other substance whatever to any woman or when he or she uses any instrument or other means whatever upon any woman with intent to produce a miscarriage or abortion.

(b) A person convicted of the offense of criminal abortion shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten years.

“If a person performs an abortion in violation of the heartbeat bill, then Code Section 16-12-140 applies,” explained French, noting that the law “does not impose life imprisonment on anybody, and Georgia courts have held that it does not apply to a woman who self-terminates, only to third parties who perform an abortion.”

For example, the Court of Appeals of Georgia refused to prosecute a woman who shot herself in the stomach to kill her unborn baby, interpreting Section 16-12-140 thus: “This statute is written in the third person, clearly indicating that at least two actors must be involved.”

“Second,” said French, “the Georgia code section that criminalizes ‘feticide’ (such as when a man attacks a woman for the purpose of killing her unborn baby) specifically states that ‘nothing in this Code section shall be construed to permit the prosecution of … any woman with respect to her unborn child.’”

Planned Parenthood even admitted to The Washington Post that the new pro-life legislation could not successfully prosecute women who self-terminate.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/47202/me ... stigiacomo

I’m not sure this is accurate. It might be if all Georgia’s new“heartbeat bill” was simply move up the timeline of the existing legislation to 6 weeks. As the slate article points out, the new bill

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However it goes much farther, a class of living, distinct person” that deserves “full legal recognition.” Thus, Georgia law must “recognize unborn children as natural persons”—not just for the purposes of abortion, but as a legal rule. ...The bill confirms that fetuses “shall be included in population based determinations” from now on, because they are legally humans, and residents of the state.

Your article conveniently leaves that part out. Your article is also dishonest because it FALSELY claims that the articles from Slate et al don’t mention that Georgia’s current abortion laws don’t criminalize women. In actuality the articles mention that fact and the fact that the NEW “heartbeat” abortion law leaves out that exemption:

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An earlier Georgia law imposing criminal penalties for illegal abortions does not apply to women who self-terminate; the new measure, by contrast, conspicuously lacks such a limitation.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/slate.com/n ... prison.amp

You’ve been suckered again.

[N_Fiddledog]

Well, first of all Beave you're going to have teach yourself not to get all haughty and snarky when you're trying to make a point or you're going to keep looking ridiculous when you get knocked on your ass again.

Something that unfortunately is going to happen to you right about now...

First of all, you're not sure what is accurate? It sounds like you're referencing the last line you quoted. That would be this one:

$1:

Planned Parenthood even admitted to The Washington Post that the new pro-life legislation could not successfully prosecute women who self-terminate.

If that's correct you might want to read the actual article and click the embedded link to the Washington Post.

You'll find this:

$1:

On Tuesday, Slate published an article with a not-entirely-accurate headline: “Georgia just criminalized abortion. Women who terminate their pregnancies would receive life in prison.”

It suggested that under the Georgia law, women who terminate their pregnancies would be prosecuted and sentenced to either life in prison or death.

That is incorrect.

“The news headlines and social media headlines that speculate about the bills’ unintended consequences are – at the very least – not productive. At most, they’re harmful,” Planned Parenthood’s Staci Fox told The Post on Friday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... 68880cbacb

Now as to this delusion you seem to be working under that internet rag-mags like Slate are some sort of infallible Bible you'll notice in the quote above that not even WaPo shares that fantasy with you.

The Daily Wire was specific about what it said Slate claimed. It gave a direct quote from Slate. It's the freaking title of Slate's piece for crying out loud:

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Georgia Just Criminalized Abortion. Women Who Terminate Their Pregnancies Would Receive Life in Prison

Only in the wildest of "Progressive" hopes and dreams is that related to any kind of fact.

BTW this below from Slate is an inaccurate quote.

“shall be included in population based determinations”

Would you like to double-check that or anything else. Try the actual bill.

http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en- ... 020/HB/481

You need to get some better heroes, Bub.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Well, first of all Beave you're going to have teach yourself not to get all haughty and snarky when you're trying to make a point or you're going to keep looking ridiculous when you get knocked on your ass again.

Something that unfortunately is going to happen to you right about now...

First of all, you're not sure what is accurate? It sounds like you're referencing the last line you quoted. That would be this one:

$1:

Planned Parenthood even admitted to The Washington Post that the new pro-life legislation could not successfully prosecute women who self-terminate.

If that's correct you might want to read the actual article and click the embedded link to the Washington Post.

You'll find this:

$1:

On Tuesday, Slate published an article with a not-entirely-accurate headline: “Georgia just criminalized abortion. Women who terminate their pregnancies would receive life in prison.”

It suggested that under the Georgia law, women who terminate their pregnancies would be prosecuted and sentenced to either life in prison or death.

That is incorrect.

“The news headlines and social media headlines that speculate about the bills’ unintended consequences are – at the very least – not productive. At most, they’re harmful,” Planned Parenthood’s Staci Fox told The Post on Friday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... 68880cbacb

Now as to this delusion you seem to be working under that internet rag-mags like Slate are some sort of infallible Bible you'll notice in the quote above that not even WaPo shares that fantasy with you.

The Daily Wire was specific about what it said Slate claimed. It gave a direct quote from Slate. It's the freaking title of Slate's piece for crying out loud:

$1:

Georgia Just Criminalized Abortion. Women Who Terminate Their Pregnancies Would Receive Life in Prison

Only in the wildest of "Progressive" hopes and dreams is that related to any kind of fact.

BTW this below from Slate is an inaccurate quote.

“shall be included in population based determinations”

Would you like to double-check that or anything else. Try the actual bill.

http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en- ... 020/HB/481

You need to get some better heroes, Bub.

It’s literally the first fucking sentence of the act you linked to, genius. Stop embarrassing yourself

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A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT

1 To amend Chapter 2 of Title 1 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to persons
2 and their rights, so as to provide that natural persons include an unborn child; to provide that
3 such unborn children shall be included in certain population based determinations;

And the quote from PP doesn’t deny the claim it just says its speculative since the law hasn’t been tested in court

[N_Fiddledog]

Beave, Beave, Beave. Take a deep breath. Turn off your music. Come back to reality I'll explain it so clearly that even you can understand it.

The quote from Slate is an inaccurate quote. The phrase

"“shall be included in population based determinations”

is inaccurate in context of full phrase covered by what they call D.

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(d) Unless otherwise provided by law, any natural person, including an unborn child with a detectable human heartbeat, shall be included in population based determinations.

There can be conditions. Can you not see that's what they mean by "Unless otherwise provided by law?

Later in the bill they tell us "unborn children shall be included in certain populations" They then go on to describe the conditions under which such a definition might apply.

But at no point in the bill do they say, imply or infer that " Women Who Terminate Their Pregnancies Would Receive Life in Prison"

Slate says that though. That is a direct quote. And again it's a direct quote from the freakin' title. Slate is lying to you...again. Get a clue, for God's sakes.