[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Just because carbon plans around the world recognize certain economic realities doesn’t make them “scams”.

The fact they don't work does.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Just because carbon plans around the world recognize certain economic realities doesn’t make them “scams”.

The fact they don't work does.

They work

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Just because carbon plans around the world recognize certain economic realities doesn’t make them “scams”.

The fact they don't work does.

They work

Nope. They don't. And I can play this stupid game as long as you can.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Nope. They don't. And I can play this stupid game as long as you can.

Yes they do. Here’s BC







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[DrCaleb]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Okay. So let me get this straight: Loblaws conspired to inflate the price of bread for over a decade, was taken to court for over $430-million in tax evasion, has $47-billion in assets, and had a revenue of $46.6 billion in 2018, and STILL needs government money?!?!

What about all the mom and pop and small town independent groceries that could benefit instead? Locally owned grocery shops that have a loyal following, and don't have the resources of Loblaw Corp, and impact the markets they serve? I'm sorry, but Loblaws can easily afford it's own high-tech crap, and I'm tired of my tax dollars being used for shit like this.

And.... still no surprise that Beaver supports them, and his Liberal cronies for handing out our hard earned money YET AGAIN. Beaver, you continually prove *Mod Edit* and your total lack of morals and humanity. You make me sick.

F*ck this.

-J.

LMAO “lack of morals and humanity “ Lack of humanity! And the Liberals are my CRONIES? Do you even know what those words means *Mod Edit*?

*Mod Edit*. Go spend the rest of the night throwing up in the bathroom of your shithole apartment. Just don’t overdo it because if you choke or something it could be weeks or months before anyone notices you’re missing or finds your body.

Oh and this program has $50 Million set aside for small businesses *Mod Edit*. Why don’t you try getting the facts for once?

So Dr. C, him calling me a “horrendous piece of crap” is ok? Asking for a friend.

No one reported his post, only yours.

[BeaverFever]

Well then what goes around comes around and thin-skinned complainers can take a dose of their own medicine

[DrCaleb]

As it should be.

[stratos]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

stratos stratos:

Okay one thing I am noticing here is those that are upset about the gas rate hikes are mum about the Gov. giving money to multi million dollar corporations to go green.

The money collected from the carbon tax pays for the green subsidies.

So you are taxed so companies such as Loblaw can have the Gov. help pay for going green. Let that sink in for a bit. You are paying a company extra money so they can go green.

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

stratos stratos:

Okay one thing I am noticing here is those that are upset about the gas rate hikes are mum about the Gov. giving money to multi million dollar corporations to go green.

The money collected from the carbon tax pays for the green subsidies.

So you are taxed so companies such as Loblaw can have the Gov. help pay for going green. Let that sink in for a bit. You are paying a company extra money so they can go green.

We are also saving money in deferring upgrades to government owned power plants. Plus, carbon tax also pays for upgrades to transit systems, furthering the reduction in carbon tax collected.

That is the purpose of a tax; to reduce consumption through monetary penalties. Worked for tobacco the same way.

Edit: The subdivision in which I live just replaces all sodium vapour street lamps with LED lamps, also incentivised by the carbon tax. They would have gone on using the sodium vapour, unless given a break on the cost of LEDs.

[stratos]

$1:

We are also saving money in deferring upgrades to government owned power plants. Plus, carbon tax also pays for upgrades to transit systems, furthering the reduction in carbon tax collected.

That is the purpose of a tax; to reduce consumption through monetary penalties. Worked for tobacco the same way.

Edit: The subdivision in which I live just replaces all sodium vapour street lamps with LED lamps, also incentivised by the carbon tax. They would have gone on using the sodium vapour, unless given a break on the cost of LEDs.

Yet Loblaw is not being fined they are getting subsidized to upgrade so they don't get fined. Or that's my understanding. I see no issue with the taxes going to upgrade Gov. owned plants and transit systems. I would, if I lived in Canada, have issue with the money going to private business with enough money to pay for all of this. Instead they are getting my tax money so they can avoid being fined. That is money taken from the tax payers helping and being used not to help tax payers but to help corporations avoid paying for their own upgrade.

I don't think I would be up in arms over it but would not like it one bit. Just like I was not happy about the bail outs to the Auto, Bank and other industries that happened here in the USA.

[llama66]

stratos stratos:

$1:

We are also saving money in deferring upgrades to government owned power plants. Plus, carbon tax also pays for upgrades to transit systems, furthering the reduction in carbon tax collected.

That is the purpose of a tax; to reduce consumption through monetary penalties. Worked for tobacco the same way.

Edit: The subdivision in which I live just replaces all sodium vapour street lamps with LED lamps, also incentivised by the carbon tax. They would have gone on using the sodium vapour, unless given a break on the cost of LEDs.

Yet Loblaw is not being fined they are getting subsidized to upgrade so they don't get fined. Or that's my understanding. I see no issue with the taxes going to upgrade Gov. owned plants and transit systems. I would, if I lived in Canada, have issue with the money going to private business with enough money to pay for all of this. Instead they are getting my tax money so they can avoid being fined. That is money taken from the tax payers helping and being used not to help tax payers but to help corporations avoid paying for their own upgrade.

I don't think I would be up in arms over it but would not like it one bit. Just like I was not happy about the bail outs to the Auto, Bank and other industries that happened here in the USA.

Bailout are kinda anti-capitalist, and anti-free market.

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

Yet Loblaw is not being fined they are getting subsidized to upgrade so they don't get fined. Or that's my understanding.

There are no fines. It's a government incentive to reduce power consumption, and pollution. Private citizens have also been given incentives to do the same in their own homes as well.

stratos stratos:

I see no issue with the taxes going to upgrade Gov. owned plants and transit systems. I would, if I lived in Canada, have issue with the money going to private business with enough money to pay for all of this. Instead they are getting my tax money so they can avoid being fined. That is money taken from the tax payers helping and being used not to help tax payers but to help corporations avoid paying for their own upgrade.

So what is the difference between using taxes to upgrade a power plant, or using taxes to reduce consumption in order to not have to upgrade that power plant? Hint: one of those things reduces pollution and doesn't raise power rates for the general population.

stratos stratos:

I don't think I would be up in arms over it but would not like it one bit. Just like I was not happy about the bail outs to the Auto, Bank and other industries that happened here in the USA.

Again, not a bail out. It's using taxes gathered to reduce the use of carbon, to incentiveize capital purchases by private industry that reduce the generation of carbon. Exactly what the tax was meant to do!

If Carbon tax was going into general revenue, like gas tax does, then I'd be pissed off.

[PluggyRug]

The handout was in Climate Barbies's riding, I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

[stratos]

$1:

If Carbon tax was going into general revenue, like gas tax does, then I'd be pissed off.

And this is where my misunderstanding is. I thought the Carbon Tax was going into general founds not specific for such instances. Then if this is how the Tax was presented in the first place and it is being used as prescribed then no real issue with it on my part.

[BeaverFever]

stratos stratos:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

stratos stratos:

Okay one thing I am noticing here is those that are upset about the gas rate hikes are mum about the Gov. giving money to multi million dollar corporations to go green.

The money collected from the carbon tax pays for the green subsidies.

So you are taxed so companies such as Loblaw can have the Gov. help pay for going green. Let that sink in for a bit. You are paying a company extra money so they can go green.

1) The companies are also taxed
2) The company is paying 75% of the cost of going green
3) It is us, not the companies, who want the companies to go green. The companies could care less if they’re green or not. We’re providing them a small incentive in order for them to do something we want them to do. Small meaning 25% of the cost.