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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:27 pm
 


llama66 llama66:
The good thing is that its non-binding, the bad thing is that the province will withhold its portion of the funding because of the no vote.


Right about now Britain is looking back and wishing they had made the Brexit vote a plebiscite rather than a referendum. ;)


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I'm sorry I would have loved for Calgary to have had the Olympics but lets face reality. This was really a referendum on a new sports complex that included the new arena and refurbished Stadium.

When you think about it every other venue is already in place and wouldn't have cost bubkis to refurbish up to Olympic standards but, the Arena and stadium are old and would have needed replacement and refurbishment at an astronomical cost. But you've to to give someone in Calgary credit. They were definitely thinking when they decided to bid for the Games because if they'd won alot of the cost to replace and refurbish those two dinosaurs would have been passed to the Provincial and Federal taxpayers which, might just be why they wanted the games in the first place.

The real tragedy in this scenario isn't losing the Olympic bid, it's gonna be losing their hockey team. The people who should have worked together to get a new arena and refurbish the stadium gambled that they could get someone else to pay for their mess and lost which means the real losers are the Flames and Stamps fans.


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I'm sorry I would have loved for Calgary to have had the Olympics but lets face reality. This was really a referendum on a new sports complex that included the new arena and refurbished Stadium.

When you think about it every other venue is already in place and wouldn't have cost bubkis to refurbish up to Olympic standards but, the Arena and stadium are old and would have needed replacement and refurbishment at an astronomical cost. But you've to to give someone in Calgary credit. They were definitely thinking when they decided to bid for the Games because if they'd won alot of the cost to replace and refurbish those two dinosaurs would have been passed to the Provincial and Federal taxpayers which, might just be why they wanted the games in the first place.

The real tragedy in this scenario isn't losing the Olympic bid, it's gonna be losing their hockey team. The people who should have worked together to get a new arena and refurbish the stadium gambled that they could get someone else to pay for their mess and lost which means the real losers are the Flames and Stamps fans.

I'm willing to bet the taxpayers will be paying to keep the flames in the end.


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llama66 llama66:
Its official, 56% of Calgarians are retards. God forbid they realize an olympics would have generated jobs and paid for some infrastructure. But we're cool with being a backwater hick city that pins its hopes on a resurgent O&G industry and has a 10% unemployment rate because of it.


I'd say 56% are quite smart.

It would have generated temporary jobs during the construction phase and few long-term quality jobs. If you want infrastructure, build it. It will cost far less to the City to focus on the needs of the City rather than the needs of a specific event.

It will definitely leave the City in debt for a generation.

The last olympics helped kickstart the mass transit here in the city.


Change comes from political pressure. You don’t need massive boondoggles to get something done.


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I voted No. I don't trust the IOC at all and I trust our own city council about the same. They have no respect for the taxpayers in this city. That $5 billion projected would have turned into $7 or $8 billion in the blink of an eye thanks to the inevitable graft and fuck-ups that would soon follow an IOC approval. More importantly the Flames, the real generator of consistent sporting revenue in this city, would have been left out almost entirely with just a few fix-ups to the Saddledome instead of the new arena that is needed. And, yeah, I trust the Flames a hell of a lot more than I do Naheed Nenshi.

This bid was unjustifiable, to drop those kinds of tax hikes on a town that's still reeling from the oil price collapse. We already have a ten-day yearly party in this city called the Stampede, and it doesn't cost $500 million per day the way the Olympics would have. I voted No and am damn proud of it, and I'm also bloody happy the voters finally saw through the gimmick that was being pulled on us by the downtown elite.


This was part of the problem-when Calgary's already suffering from high downtown vacancy rates, governments are already running big deficits, and governments are already tightening their belts, it becomes a lot harder to justify spending money on the Olympics, especially with huge cost overruns and the rampant corruption both among the athletes and the officials.

And while lots of people have fond memories of the 1988 Olympics, others remember the 1976 Olympics in Montreal. Montreal Mayor Jean Drapeau claimed that the Olympics couldn't lose money any more than a man could have a baby...and 30 years of debt led to Drapeau being pregnant in political cartoons enough times for a dozen Octomoms.

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Had the higher level of governments properly supported the bid, it would have been a 'Yes' vote.

The blame falls squarely on Notley, and to a larger extent, Trudeau for this failure.


I don't know about that, especially since at least one prominent No opponent who otherwise despises Notley warmly praised her for attaching strings to provincial funding. Frankly, I'd have done the same thing-and if I lived in Calgary I probably would have voted No to the bid.

Not to mention that the Yes side didn't do themselves any favours with their approach. Take this commentary from Macleans:

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But with the cynicism was a healthy dose of circumspection. Two weeks before the plebiscite, Calgarians almost universally celebrated a $245-million new central library, funded primarily through property taxes—the perfect rebuttal to the Games boosters now grumbling “this is why we can’t have nice things.” Beautiful, functional and lasting nice things, Calgary residents can say yes to. But there’s reason to not see equivalent merit in expensing $2.9 billion of public funds for a month-long event in the middle of next decade that would have left Calgary with some new affordable housing couple new sports venues and refurbished 1988 facilities, not all of which the region needed to re-Olympify.

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Moran told one forum last week that 90,000 people moved to Calgary in the couple of years straddling the 1988 Games, and she suggested Canadian Airlines and Imperial Oil headquarters landed in Calgary amid the afterglow of the Olympic global spotlight. But her fervid spin wilts under scrutiny. From 1987 to 1990 the city’s population grew by half the amount Moran cited (people move in, people move out, perhaps); Canadian Airlines was formed in 1987 when an airline already based in Calgary swallowed up smaller rivals; Imperial Oil arrived 17 years after the Saddledome’s Battle of the Brians, and ages after it made any sense for a major oil firm’s head office to remain in Toronto. When corporations scout new office locations, they look past such hokum and base their picks on credible and compelling reasons. A city’s residents, when being courted with such gauzy ideals and promises, can simply shrug them off—or vote to spite them.



Not to mention the closed-door council meetings showing cost expansions that was kept out of the public eye:

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Advocacy group the Canadian Taxpayers Federation is praising a whistleblower who leaked municipal documents pertaining to Calgary's potential bid for the 2026 Winter Olympic Games.

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The documents show there are additional costs above and beyond the $5.2 billion estimated by the Calgary bid exploration committee that council will have to consider if Calgary hosts the Games.



Long story short, this seems like a perfect storm of factors that all came together at the wrong time to convince Calgarians to vote No.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:48 pm
 


In news from elsewhere the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo has effectively doubled in cost from it's original bid and is now around $12 billion US. The IOC and the bidding people simply can't be trusted with any of the dollar figures they wave around.


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Fukk u IOC!


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llama66 llama66:
Its official, 56% of Calgarians are retards.

I disagree. They are smarter than you give them credit.
Billions of dollars to run a few sports games for 2 weeks? Who is retarded now?


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llama66 llama66:
The good thing is that its non-binding, the bad thing is that the province will withhold its portion of the funding because of the no vote.


Right about now Britain is looking back and wishing they had made the Brexit vote a plebiscite rather than a referendum. ;)

Best thing UK will ever do is get the hell out of the shit show known as the EU.


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llama66 llama66:
Its official, 56% of Calgarians are retards.

I disagree. They are smarter than you give them credit.
Billions of dollars to run a few sports games for 2 weeks? Who is retarded now?

Still them.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:53 pm
 


Coach85 Coach85:
llama66 llama66:
The last olympics helped kickstart the mass transit here in the city.


Change comes from political pressure. You don’t need massive boondoggles to get something done.


Maybe elsewhere, but not in Alberta. The light rail transit systems in both Edmonton and Calgary were built specifically in support of large sporting events (Commonwealth Games in Edmonton and Winter Olympics in Calgary).

Had either city not hosted them, they probably would just have begun building them in the past decade. And without the impetus of the world watching, growth in the LRT in Alberta had been very weak under the previous PC governments, who slashed transit subsidies to the bone in the 1990s and early 2000s. It wasn't until Stelmach got elected that the province realized how important LRT could be for the two major cities.

Like the NDP or not, they have kickstarted LRT in both cities with huge investments in ways the PCs never bothered with, and which I doubt Kenney will support if he wins the next election.


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