[llama66]

Video of Trudeau fucking every Canadian (pixelated, 2018)

[Tricks]

Coach85 Coach85:

Tricks Tricks:

herbie herbie:

You guys realize we don't need to attack Detroit or pretend we lost, eh?
We just traded some fucking MILK (we don't have to buy) for the right to build about 1,000,000 more cars a year right?

We can't produce them though. So it's likely a meaningless gain unless massive money is invested in opening plants, which is unlikely.

Or we actually use the plants to their actual capacity and ramp up production.

How much are they actually able to be ramped up.

I suppose I could ask my brother, he's an engineer with GM

[Robair]

herbie herbie:

You guys realize we don't need to attack Detroit or pretend we lost, eh?
We just traded some fucking MILK (we don't have to buy) for the right to build about 1,000,000 more cars a year right?

I'd agree, if we didn't now have to get America's fucking permission to trade with other nations.

Makes me want to puke that our PM signed off on that. Pisses me right off that an "ally" would even ask for that. After putting a gun to our economy's head during negotiations no less.

[herbie]

$1:

I'd agree, if we didn't now have to get America's fucking permission to trade with other nations.

Yeah that looks bad, but it will come out in the wash over WHO when it happens. And possibly what. Let's wait and see if he dares tell us we can't sell oil, gas or wheat to China because of this agreement.

[Coach85]

Tricks Tricks:

I suppose I could ask my brother, he's an engineer with GM

The GM plant in Oshawa alone is a shadow of it's former self. There's a ton of room for expansion there.

[llama66]

herbie herbie:

$1:

I'd agree, if we didn't now have to get America's fucking permission to trade with other nations.

Yeah that looks bad, but it will come out in the wash over WHO when it happens. And possibly what. Let's wait and see if he dares tell us we can't sell oil, gas or wheat to China because of this agreement.

That's probably exactly what'll happen.

[peck420]

llama66 llama66:

That's probably exactly what'll happen.

I bet it will happen even sooner, if it gets ratified.

We still have CETA details to firm up with a couple countries that we are directly competing against the US in. I doubt this card would stay in the deck, if it is available at the time.

[llama66]

This is a terrible deal for Canada, Trudeau is a fucking tool. A broken tool of a Prime Minister. Whatever happened to we'd walk away before we take a bad deal. Well Justin, this is a pretty fucking bad deal.
http://www.cnn.com/2018/10/01/politics/ ... index.html

[Coach85]

llama66 llama66:

This is a terrible deal for Canada, Trudeau is a fucking tool. A broken tool of a Prime Minister. Whatever happened to we'd walk away before we take a bad deal. Well Justin, this is a pretty fucking bad deal.
http://www.cnn.com/2018/10/01/politics/ ... index.html

How is the deal bad?

[peck420]

16 year expiration...good buy any long term investment any time there is so much as a political tremor anywhere in NA.

Increased US market access to dairy, chickens, turkeys, eggs, and wines. No written guarantees of subsidy reduction by the US. Now we have to pay to play for food, just like all the other idiots subsidizing their markets by BILLIONS per year.

No guarantees on "national security tariffs", which, thanks to the leadership fail on our side, will be the normal "let's negotiate openers". All at the expense of the consumer...yay!

IP protectionism increased. Fuck that every single smart person says that this will slow innovation, which we already starting to lose to Asia, nope...greed is more important than the future.

Potential for mandatory US oversight and final say over future trade deals.

For what? So that 100,000 auto workers can stay 'employed' in an industry that is already saying that this is the high point for employment? Fed's gave it all up to keep a dying breed on life support a little longer. That is not the move a leader makes, that is a follower. Leaders plan for the future, they don't sink the ship to save the past.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I'd suggest that you have your military retaliate by launching a 24/7 artillery and air bombardment of Detroit

We're mad at you, why would we do you any favors by cleaning up the joint?

[BartSimpson]

herbie herbie:

$1:

I'd agree, if we didn't now have to get America's fucking permission to trade with other nations.

Yeah that looks bad, but it will come out in the wash over WHO when it happens. And possibly what. Let's wait and see if he dares tell us we can't sell oil, gas or wheat to China because of this agreement.

I don't believe there are any export restrictions.

The import restrictions apply to components or products that are intended to be received in Canada and then resold into the US or Mexico...and that also applies to the US and Mexico.

We agree not to import something and then reship it to Canada without YOUR permission.

[bootlegga]

Strutz Strutz:

Note: this is an opinion piece

$1:

With its new trade deal, Canada surrenders sovereignty to a bully: Neil Macdonald
So first, Clause 32. It's long-winded and uses code language, but basically, it says that if Canada wants a trade deal with China, it has to notify the Americans about any negotiations, and tell them the substance of those negotiations, and submit the text of any deal, "including any annexes and side instruments" in advance, for American scrutiny, and then, like a puppy, await Washington's verdict.

If the Americans don't like the deal – and it's a safe bet the Americans aren't going to like any deal that binds Canada to a rival economic giant – Canada will be summarily excluded from the new version of NAFTA, which will revert, at America's whim, to a bilateral deal with Mexico.

It's a breathtaking thing for Canada to accept, but unsurprising. It's of a piece with the Trump approach: brutalize allies and partners, insult them and club them into submission with crude threats like Trump's "motherlode" tariffs on autos and auto parts.

To paraphrase Trump's coarse inauguration speech, fair trade stops here and it stops now. America first, ladies and gentlemen.

Clause 32 doesn't actually mention China. It instead uses the euphemism "non-market country," and stipulates that each party "shall inform the other parties," but there's no doubt about what a non-market country means — China — or who Canada is meant to tell. At the moment, U.S. President Donald Trump is prosecuting an all-out trade war with China, and he doesn't want any allies getting cozy with the other side.

But it's more than that. The United States has clearly heard the voices in Canada and other Western countries urging their governments to diversify and strengthen ties with other trading partners as a shield against Trump's America-first bullying. The Americans consider Canada and Mexico to be client states, and aren't going to stand for any Canadian assertions of independence.

"This is all about the Americans laying down a marker," says a Canadian lawyer who's been inside the NAFTA renegotiation. "They are effectively saying 'We are going to control North America.'

Article continues at the link:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/canada-usmca-1.4845494

Welcome to the 21st century version of the Monroe Doctrine - this should have been a deal breaker.

Abrogating our sovereignty for this trade pact is brutal and reminds me of what one American negotiator is rumoured to have said after we signed the 1988 FTA:

"The Canadians don't know what they've signed - in a generation we'll own that country."

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Welcome to the 21st century version of the Monroe Doctrine - this should have been a deal breaker.

Abrogating our sovereignty for this trade pact is brutal and reminds me of what one American negotiator is rumoured to have said after we signed the 1988 FTA:

"The Canadians don't know what they've signed - in a generation we'll own that country."

And thirty years later the US doesn't own Canada.

[llama66]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Welcome to the 21st century version of the Monroe Doctrine - this should have been a deal breaker.

Abrogating our sovereignty for this trade pact is brutal and reminds me of what one American negotiator is rumoured to have said after we signed the 1988 FTA:

"The Canadians don't know what they've signed - in a generation we'll own that country."

And thirty years later the US doesn't own Canada.

Not officially.