[Sunnyways]

martin14 martin14:

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

If Bernier gets any traction, FPTP will work its magic and give the Libs a comfortable win. We could be in for a repeat of 1997:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia ... tion,_1997

But I doubt he will. He’s always been a bit of an oddball as the Couillard affair illustrated. You never get every policy you want in any party and he now looks like a bad loser. In addition, I don’t think there are that many votes in Canada to the right of the Conservatives even if a decent party machine and candidates could be put together.

After finally listening to Scheer speaking French, Bernier
could easily have a great run in Quebec, just on that point.

Bernier’s views, whether expressed in French or English, are way out of the Quebec mainstream. It’s hardly an accident he spoke in English first today.

[Thanos]

Don't know about that. Ethnic-identity and anti-immigrant thinking seems stronger in Quebec than anywhere else in the country. Now it seems to be shifting right instead of still belonging to the Marxist Quebec left that owned it for decades. Bernier could be in a prime position to set up a revived alt-right version of the Bloc Quebecois that belongs to neither the federal Liberals or Conservatives.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

When the Conservative leadership convention happened, I voted for Maxime Bernier as my first choice. Andrew Scheer was my third choice. If Bernier had been elected as the Conservative leader, the 2019 election would almost be guaranteed.

Everything I have seen from Andrew Scheer shows me that he is Trudeau-lite, and not willing to stand for much at all.

I have not renewed my party membership, as I feel Scheer is turning the party against the grassroots and common people that made the Conservative party what it is.

We're all doomed....

-J.

[martin14]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Bernier’s views, whether expressed in French or English, are way out of the Quebec mainstream. It’s hardly an accident he spoke in English first today.

Please, convince me about this idea of the QC mainstream.

I haven't been in QC for 20 years, but for me, any discussion of immigration
or cultural identity brings me right back to the 50% 1995 referendum.
I don't think that much has changed, except maybe there are more allophones in Montreal.

[llama66]

Make the thunderdome great again.

[Thanos]

llama66 llama66:

Make the thunderdome great again.

Dyin' Time's been here since Nov 8, 2016.

[Sunnyways]

martin14 martin14:

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Bernier’s views, whether expressed in French or English, are way out of the Quebec mainstream. It’s hardly an accident he spoke in English first today.

Please, convince me about this idea of the QC mainstream.

I haven't been in QC for 20 years, but for me, any discussion of immigration
or cultural identity brings me right back to the 50% 1995 referendum.
I don't think that much has changed, except maybe there are more allophones in Montreal.

Yes, that is one issue where he does have big support. Is he going to start a one issue party? Do you think his views on economics are mainstream in Quebec e.g. supply management? Rempel will be strident on illegal immigration anyway. Her role is really important now.

I don’t think he’s going to win a lot of seats but with FPTP he could do a lot of damage to Scheer if he even fields candidates.

[Coach85]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

When the Conservative leadership convention happened, I voted for Maxime Bernier as my first choice. Andrew Scheer was my third choice. If Bernier had been elected as the Conservative leader, the 2019 election would almost be guaranteed.

Everything I have seen from Andrew Scheer shows me that he is Trudeau-lite, and not willing to stand for much at all.

I have not renewed my party membership, as I feel Scheer is turning the party against the grassroots and common people that made the Conservative party what it is.

We're all doomed....

-J.

I totally disagree. Nothing is guaranteed.

Bernier isn't popular in Ontario and even among the old-school PC members like my parents, they think he's a 'smug asshole'. He has an image of a whiner, a 'me first' type of guy. Not a guy I'd vote for.

[Thanos]

The Parti Quebecois dominated for years by being a one-issue party with sovereignty/separation. Why shouldn't Bernier succeed with the same thing except with identity politics and cultural protection? Quebec is after all the only jurisdiction in the country where the banning of things like the burqa was supported by the majority of the provincial population.

[Sunnyways]

Thanos Thanos:

The Parti Quebecois dominated for years by being a one-issue party with sovereignty/separation. Why shouldn't Bernier succeed with the same thing except with identity politics and cultural protection? Quebec is after all the only jurisdiction in the country where the banning of things like the burqa was supported by the majority of the provincial population.

Perhaps. I think Bernier’s intention is to appeal to conservatives across the country rather than resuscitate the BQ. Most identity populists are more centrist than he is. If he wants to sweep QC he’ll have to change his tune on economics. All the other parties will go after him on that if he doesn’t.

[martin14]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Yes, that is one issue where he does have big support. Is he going to start a one issue party? Do you think his views on economics are mainstream in Quebec e.g. supply management? Rempel will be strident on illegal immigration anyway. Her role is really important now.

I don’t think he’s going to win a lot of seats but with FPTP he could do a lot of damage to Scheer if he even fields candidates.

I think lots of people voted for Trump without giving a damn about economic policy.

Coach85 Coach85:

I totally disagree. Nothing is guaranteed.

Bernier isn't popular in Ontario and even among the old-school PC members like my parents, they think he's a 'smug asshole'. He has an image of a whiner, a 'me first' type of guy. Not a guy I'd vote for.

OK, but are you a lifelong Conservative voter ?
Because if not, it's the same as asking BF if he prefers Ford or Hudak.

I think there a lot of Conservatives who would have real trouble voting for Scheer.
I know I would.

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Perhaps. I think Bernier’s intention is to appeal to conservatives across the country rather than resuscitate the BQ. Most identity populists are more centrist than he is. If he wants to sweep QC he’ll have to change his tune on economics. All the other parties will go after him on that if he doesn’t.

Unless someone like Soros gives him money, going to be fun
to watch him build a national party in a year.

He'll need to stay small and play where he is strong.
one is obviously Quebec.
If I remember, he did well with AB Conservatives as well.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

martin14 martin14:

I think there a lot of Conservatives who would have real trouble voting for Scheer. I know I would.

Scheer was a distant third choice for me during the leadership convention. But, after he was elected leader of the CPC, I decided to give him a chance. I did, up until now. He's nothing but another Trudeau, pandering to everything under the sun, while shoving the core CPC values and grassroots aside.

I just yesterday renounced my CPC membership, and cut up my card. I'm done. I'm a man without a party for the moment, but I will have no trouble throwing my support behind Bernier when his new party gets off the ground. If it does not, then I don't have a clue what I'm going to do in next year's election.

-J.

[raydan]

[BRAH]

This bullshit is why Harper kept a tight leash on Conservatives.

[raydan]

All Conservatives should be on a leash.