[Thanos]

Dropping mega-cities like LA, Vegas, and Phoenix in desert areas that without irrigation would be naturally hard-pressed to sustain towns of thirty to fifty thousand probably wasn't the smartest thing to do. And that's got nothing to do with the "evil" of golf courses or farms growing water-intensive crops either and more with the reality of 5-10-20 million people all having a bath/shower and flushing the toilet multiple times per day.

[N_Fiddledog]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Drastic measures to conserve water will be called for in the Western US. The party is coming to an end.

I heard about one great idea. It's called "The Wall."

[rickc]

Thanos Thanos:

Dropping mega-cities like LA, Vegas, and Phoenix in desert areas that without irrigation would be naturally hard-pressed to sustain towns of thirty to fifty thousand probably wasn't the smartest thing to do. And that's got nothing to do with the "evil" of golf courses or farms growing water-intensive crops either and more with the reality of 5-10-20 million people all having a bath/shower and flushing the toilet multiple times per day.

True enough! However that train has long left the station. Now emergency construction of desalination plants in southern California should be called for. Cogen plants that produce electricity as well as desalinate water should be built with federal aid. California can become independent of the Colorado river, landlocked states cannot. I would call for a federal state of emergency and use federal aid to help speed the construction along.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

No need to pretend your clever with the language. I'm happy to tell you.

Governor "Moonbeam" wasn't able to deal well with the water shortage during the last drought.

Too many people, not enough water.

So your link seemed to agree with Moonbeam in thinking the solution will be more controls over water usage while waiting for the next drought.

No comment on any controls over the open borders/sanctuary cities influx of population though. There have been droughts in the past. Sooner or later there will be others. Somebody mentioned desalination plants. Not sure why more of those as an assist was just ignored. Seems like that might be something that could be considered waiting for the next drought. They say it's expensive in California but I hear it works in Israel. They also do some sort of water recycling.

But Moonbeam and your link's solution to the problem of too many people/not enough water seems to be more people/the same amount of water and more controls over water usage in the good times between droughts.

Good luck with that California.

So you think there’d be plenty of water for all the lawns pools and golf courses no conservation required if only the un-legals weren’t using all the water? Sounds like quite a stretch

I don’t know what the obsession with desalination plants is, you’re wrong that it’s a magic cure and you’re also wrong that there aren’t any planned. They are building some but they produce fresh water at twice the cost of other methods so while it’s good to have a mix of options it’s not a solution on its own:


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.mercury ... nding/amp/

[BeaverFever]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

You can dress a pig up anyway you want but it's still a pig. So is the fact that when you tell people they can only use a certain amount of a resource it becomes their "allotment".....So, please feel free to explain again how restricting the amount of water a person has the right to use isn't an allocation

For the millionth time, nobody’s being told they can only use a certain amount of water. Period. That’s what I’m trying to get across to you.

$1:

.... and for the record nowhere in the law does it say that since it's a state wide law so long as the individual utilities don't average out over 55 gallons per person they've met their goals.

that’s exactly what it says. This is a law regulating utilities, not citizens and nowhere does it prohibit citizens from doing anything l.

$1:

What I heard from the guys in California is that they're going to be installing "smart" water meters like the "smart" hydro meters and if that's true it means your theory of everybody can use as much water as they want so long as the collective doesn't exceed their individual quota's just flew out the window along with the pig.

. As you say we have smart meters for hydro, do you think that means you have an “allotment” of hydro and you’ll get arrested if you exceed it?

[BRAH]

Many Hollywood Stars Ignore Water Ban in Drought-Stricken State

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While drought-stricken Californians are being told to turn off lawn sprinklers, avoid washing their cars and leave their swimming pools empty to conserve water, many of Hollywood's famous liberal celebrities are acting as though the four-year drought doesn't exist.

In posh Beverly Hills mansions of some wealthy TV and movie stars, flowers are blooming, grass is lush and green, and swimming pools and fountains are bubbling away.

In a helicopter survey, photographer John Chapple took photos of homes owned by Kanye West and Kim Kardashian, Jennifer Lopez, Khloe Kardashian, Playboy publisher Hugh Hefner and even liberal self-described environmentalist Barbra Streisand and found that while others' lawns are turning brown, the Tinseltown's stars are acting as if the drought doesn't even exist, the New York Post says.

Read Newsmax: Many Hollywood Stars Ignore Water Ban in Drought-Stricken State | Newsmax.com
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https://www.newsmax.com/us/hollywood-drought-water-stars/2015/05/11/id/643865/
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When it comes to water bans Hollywood Leftist Celebrities are above the law.

[bootlegga]

rickc rickc:

Thanos Thanos:

Dropping mega-cities like LA, Vegas, and Phoenix in desert areas that without irrigation would be naturally hard-pressed to sustain towns of thirty to fifty thousand probably wasn't the smartest thing to do. And that's got nothing to do with the "evil" of golf courses or farms growing water-intensive crops either and more with the reality of 5-10-20 million people all having a bath/shower and flushing the toilet multiple times per day.

True enough! However that train has long left the station. Now emergency construction of desalination plants in southern California should be called for. Cogen plants that produce electricity as well as desalinate water should be built with federal aid. California can become independent of the Colorado river, landlocked states cannot. I would call for a federal state of emergency and use federal aid to help speed the construction along.

Unfortunately, even that isn't the silver bullet we think they will be, because they don't always operate as well as they expected:

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When the Carlsbad desalination plant opened in December 2015, regional water officials gushed about how reliable it would be. San Diego could now drink from the endless Pacific Ocean rather than be stuck depending on rain and snowmelt to come from hundreds of miles away.

So far, though, the plant has not been as reliable as promised.

Over the last year, the privately owned plant failed to deliver nearly a fifth of the water the San Diego County Water Authority ordered from it. During the same period, there were 46 days when it delivered no water at all, according to business and regulatory filings by the plant’s owner, Poseidon Water.

https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/ ... -promised/

[BartSimpson]

Let's see...we're so overpopulated that we need to ration water to just 50 gallons per day but the motherfucking Democrats and liberals STILL insist that the border should be open to millions more immigrants.

How do you facepalm an entire state?

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

You can dress a pig up anyway you want but it's still a pig. So is the fact that when you tell people they can only use a certain amount of a resource it becomes their "allotment".....So, please feel free to explain again how restricting the amount of water a person has the right to use isn't an allocation

For the millionth time, nobody’s being told they can only use a certain amount of water. Period. That’s what I’m trying to get across to you.

$1:

.... and for the record nowhere in the law does it say that since it's a state wide law so long as the individual utilities don't average out over 55 gallons per person they've met their goals.

that’s exactly what it says. This is a law regulating utilities, not citizens and nowhere does it prohibit citizens from doing anything l.

$1:

What I heard from the guys in California is that they're going to be installing "smart" water meters like the "smart" hydro meters and if that's true it means your theory of everybody can use as much water as they want so long as the collective doesn't exceed their individual quota's just flew out the window along with the pig.

. As you say we have smart meters for hydro, do you think that means you have an “allotment” of hydro and you’ll get arrested if you exceed it?

Sorry but, any law that regulates utilities is immediately going to regulate the citizens who use it. So, the fact remains that there's going to be a cap on personal consumption whether imposed by the state or the utilities. And now with smart meters they're going to have the ability to stop over consumption almost immediately rather than waiting the 3 months like previously. The only question now is how they'll ensure compliance.

$1:

Together, the two bills establish an indoor, per-person water use goal of 55 gallons per day until 2025. The limit decreases to 52.5 gallons until 2030 and 50 gallons beginning in 2030. It will be the responsibility of water agencies to work with users to meet the goals.

http://www.latimes.com/socal/glendale-n ... story.html

[MeganC]

It's water rationing like in a third world country. How sad.

[BeaverFever]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

You can dress a pig up anyway you want but it's still a pig. So is the fact that when you tell people they can only use a certain amount of a resource it becomes their "allotment".....So, please feel free to explain again how restricting the amount of water a person has the right to use isn't an allocation

For the millionth time, nobody’s being told they can only use a certain amount of water. Period. That’s what I’m trying to get across to you.

$1:

.... and for the record nowhere in the law does it say that since it's a state wide law so long as the individual utilities don't average out over 55 gallons per person they've met their goals.

that’s exactly what it says. This is a law regulating utilities, not citizens and nowhere does it prohibit citizens from doing anything l.

$1:

What I heard from the guys in California is that they're going to be installing "smart" water meters like the "smart" hydro meters and if that's true it means your theory of everybody can use as much water as they want so long as the collective doesn't exceed their individual quota's just flew out the window along with the pig.

. As you say we have smart meters for hydro, do you think that means you have an “allotment” of hydro and you’ll get arrested if you exceed it?

Sorry but, any law that regulates utilities is immediately going to regulate the citizens who use it. So, the fact remains that there's going to be a cap on personal consumption whether imposed by the state or the utilities. And now with smart meters they're going to have the ability to stop over consumption almost immediately rather than waiting the 3 months like previously. The only question now is how they'll ensure compliance.

$1:

Together, the two bills establish an indoor, per-person water use goal of 55 gallons per day until 2025. The limit decreases to 52.5 gallons until 2030 and 50 gallons beginning in 2030. It will be the responsibility of water agencies to work with users to meet the goals.

http://www.latimes.com/socal/glendale-n ... story.html

All you’ve shown is you can’t tell the difference between a cap and a goal and apparently you can’t tell the difference between a utility and a person, or between a water meter and a water shutoff valve.

[BeaverFever]

MeganC MeganC:

It's water rationing like in a third world country. How sad.

No it’s not.

[peck420]

Bill Text - AB 1668 Water management planning.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1668

There is certainly some questionable wording in this bill.

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(1) Local urban retail water suppliers should have primary responsibility for meeting standards-based water use targets, and they shall retain the flexibility to develop their water supply portfolios, design and implement water conservation strategies, educate their customers, and enforce their rules.

- Chapter 9. 10609.c.1

Not particularly a fan of this entry.

[Freakinoldguy]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

All you’ve shown is you can’t tell the difference between a cap and a goal and apparently you can’t tell the difference between a utility and a person, or between a water meter and a water shutoff valve.

And you've shown yourself to be the the most obtuse individual on this board. You can't refute common sense so you revert to insults .

But keep up the good work because your ability to muddy the waters with your twisted logic is becoming legendary.

[BeaverFever]

peck420 peck420:

Bill Text - AB 1668 Water management planning.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1668

There is certainly some questionable wording in this bill.

$1:

(1) Local urban retail water suppliers should have primary responsibility for meeting standards-based water use targets, and they shall retain the flexibility to develop their water supply portfolios, design and implement water conservation strategies, educate their customers, and enforce their rules.

- Chapter 9. 10609.c.1

Not particularly a fan of this entry.

Why?

I wonder if any of these “Local urban retail water suppliers” are privately owned, if so that would be a concern but otherwise why wouldn’t you want this authority to be local instead of centralized in a state bureaucracy?