[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

From your summation, that is not 'invasion'. People don't normally get arrested after a failed 'invasion'. Unless you think afterward they are put into some secret POW camp?

First of all how can I not go over the same ground when you refuse to remember basic facts or misapprehend the simple stuff.

There is a legal way to cross the border and an illegal way. "They" choose the illegal way of border jumpers and so can be seen as invaders using this definition I just grabbed off Google:

Invade: to enter (a place, situation, or sphere of activity) in large numbers, especially with intrusive effect.

"demonstrators invaded the presidential palace"
synonyms: overrun, swarm, overwhelm, inundate

Yes, these invaders did enter with intrusive effect.

What intrusive affect? Since when is 132 a large number?

And we keep going over it because you refuse to read what I write on the subject. If you read it, you'd not bother to repeat yourself.

When I Google Invaders, I get this:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The government can't or won't keep exact records of exactly how many are invading as border jumpers but the CBC tells us there were 2,000 refugee claims in the first 2 months of the year. They tell us border jumping incidents are expected to increase as weather improves.

See, now this is a lie. You know very well that statistics are compiled annually, so
stats for January won't be available from Government sources for a year. And I did post the RCMP border arrest numbers and asylum claims for January - March. But you said I lied about it. You have that information. Ignoring it is a lie of omission.

You also know that refugee claims take 3 months to have a hearing, so we won't know the results for a few weeks yet.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

You posted a link telling us there were 135 border jumping incidents recorded one cold month in Manitoba. 132 of those may have been catch and release. There's a loophole in Canadian law letting them be released into Canada to get lost in the bureaucracy after an arrest.

Some border jumpers make it past the RCMP and simply bother the Canadian residents on their way to make their refugee claim at an office. The Canadian border guard union claims about 50% of some invaders they keep records on have "records of criminality."

Now you decide to use the term 'catch and release' just like 'invaders' - to try to illicit an emotional response. And yet you ignore that same article that said only 132 of them are awaiting refugee hearings. The other 3 were held as they were deemed a threat.

Convenient that you ignore facts that hinder your agenda, hmmmm?

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There is a kind of tolerated human smuggling network on the American side facilitating the process. Those of us who viewed the videos saw one of those facilitators (a taxi company owner or manager) claim he finds it useful to get in touch with the RCMP on the other side and have them waiting as kind of catch and release bellhops for the invaders who are exploiting the process.

Tolerated? Despite this story stating "U.S. border patrol officials confirm a number of people were taken into custody south of the border near Portal, N.D. on Friday."? How much tolerance is that? And how are people 'invading' if they get arrested then held for being a security risk?

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I used the term "catch and release" twice and just emboldened it. Did you notice that. Can you figure out why? Or are you going to need me to explain that to you too?

Hint: Start here -

$1:

People don't normally get arrested after a failed 'invasion'.

Yes, the term is meant to illicit an emotional response. That's why you use and highlight it.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BTW seeing as you so often feel the need to slip off topic I know you won't mind me adding something tangential to all this...just cause it's interesting:

Feel free. Not watching it as hard as I can.

[N_Fiddledog]

132 was the number of those caught in one cold month, in one province. The border jumping phenomena is now happening across Canada in increasing number and the CBC tells us accurate stats cannot be kept of exactly how many there are, however they do tell us:

$1:

For the first two months of the year the CBSA says 2,176 people made asylum claims. But that figure captures both those who made claims at border crossings and those who snuck through and were later allowed to make a claim.

And again whatever the border jumping invaders numbers are they are expected to increase as the weather improves.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

And again whatever the border jumping invaders numbers are they are expected to increase as the weather improves.

So, what you are saying is you are expecting more RCMP detentions of people that are deemed a risk to Canada? Are we being invaded by the Keystone Kops? How is getting arrested and detained a valid invasion strategy?

And what does it have to do with me lying about things I never said?

[DrCaleb]

But wait! I thought you said the Government isn't keeping records. but you quote the CBSA's records they keep?

[N_Fiddledog]

It wasn't me who first said the government can't or won't keep reliable stats of all the border jumpers. It was the CBC. I just paraphrased what I'd read.

$1:

How many asylum seekers have come into Canada? How many are being allowed to stay?

We've been asking, and the simple answer is: it's not that simple.

From their very first steps over the border, asylum seekers are quickly caught up in a system involving numerous federal, provincial and non-governmental agencies, all of which keep information and statistics in different ways — but none of which specifically track the number of people filing asylum claims after crossing the border illegally.

The two frontline agencies involved, the RCMP and the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), are no longer releasing this type of data. They both say the information is difficult to track consistently from region to region.

Through a combination of previously released numbers and repeated information requests to several agencies, we've attempted to break it down.

This link has already been offered, but here you go again.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ ... -1.4028468

[N_Fiddledog]

Also...

The invaders are most often not detained. In your link for example they told us how only 3 of the 135 were detained on open warrants. The rest were released into the bureaucratic wilds of Canada with the rest of us. That's catch and release.

And on this:

$1:

Despite this story stating "U.S. border patrol officials confirm a number of people were taken into custody south of the border near Portal, N.D. on Friday

I didn't hear about that one. Sounds interesting. Gotta link? You're claiming this one incident shows how there can be no network of brokers and runners (often taxi drivers) informing the invaders how to exploit the Canadian border jumpers loophole and getting them to the border to do it. Is that it?

Must be a great story. I'm anxious to read it.

[Thanos]

Set up a MXC course at the border. If they make it through all of these in one piece they get citizenship.

[DrCaleb]

Well, that makes more sense then. You posted like those were your own words, not those of CBC.

But I still don't know how it relates to me not saying something and somehow lying about it.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Also...

The invaders are most often not detained. In your link for example they told us how only 3 of the 135 were detained on open warrants. The rest were released into the bureaucratic wilds of Canada with the rest of us. That's catch and release.

If they are no threat, do they need to be in prison? It's much cheaper to put them up in hotels while they wait for their hearing.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

And on this:

$1:

Despite this story stating "U.S. border patrol officials confirm a number of people were taken into custody south of the border near Portal, N.D. on Friday

I didn't hear about that one. Sounds interesting. Gotta link? You're claiming this one incident shows how there can be no network of brokers and runners (often taxi drivers) informing the invaders how to exploit the Canadian border jumpers loophole and getting them to the border to do it. Is that it?

Must be a great story. I'm anxious to read it.

So, you are saying you didn't read the story before commenting on it? Well, that's a shock!

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

So, you are saying you didn't read the story before commenting on it? Well, that's a shock!

Oh wait...you're talking about this story. The woman from Saskatchewan who was stopped in Saskatchewan with 9 Africans in the van. The case where the intruder/invaders were later released into Canada. I thought we were going to be talking about North Dakota and some criminal network being dealt with on the American side. See what happens when you don't tell the whole story? It starts to look like what they call 'lie by omission."

But I get it now. North Dakota is not the focus. We're talking about this Saskatchewan woman posing here with her husband:



Her story has been updated.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon ... -1.4081205

Turns out she was cruising north of the Border with 9 Africans in the car. She now appears to be claiming they're relatives and she was offering humanitarian aid.

The American police were aware of somebody or bodies facilitating transportation through America to the Canadian border. It had been an ongoing thing. They notified the Saskatchewan RCMP. And yes, in Saskatchewan at least, in this one case, the RCMP were interested enough to grab the perp from the Canadian side of the chain. So go Saskatchewan.

Sounds like she has a good lawyer though.

I'm sorry what was your point again?

[N_Fiddledog]

There's still some fuzzy details about this case though. In the original link they were talking about some perp who had been facilitating border jumps on a regular basis. They said the man on the American side had not been charged.

Now put that together with this from the updated telling of the tale.

$1:

Victor Omoruyi is now in the custody of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and is being held at the Grand Forks County Correctional Center, alongside another man and woman arrested with him.

Success Okundia (also known as Success Okundia-Julius) and Tosin Johnson (aka Tosin Cecilia Freeman-Osho) were discovered in Omoruyi's vehicle shortly after he allegedly dropped off his nine passengers at the border.

Police could not find any record of Okundia and Johnson crossing into the U.S. and had no immigration documents that would allow them to be there legally.

Both also had muddy shoes, leading officers to conclude they had recently walked through the mud in an area "of previous known smuggling activity," according to the officers' affidavit.

Court documents indicate Okundia and Johnson are accused of unlawful entry into the United States; however, no charges have been laid in their cases.

Details of the allegations against Victor Omoruyi have not been made public.

It's confusing. What happened there? Did Michelle's hubby and two associates help some border jumpers cross on foot then walk back to be apprehended while Michelle picked up the 9 new Canadians on the other side?

Sounds like it.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

So, you are saying you didn't read the story before commenting on it? Well, that's a shock!

Oh wait...you're talking about this story. The woman from Saskatchewan who was stopped in Saskatchewan with 9 Africans in the van. . .

But I get it now. North Dakota is not the focus. We're talking about this Saskatchewan woman posing here with her husband:

No, we are discussing the story which this thread is attached to. Do try to not let the ADHD kick in?

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I'm sorry what was your point again?

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Also, I'm pretty sure I've pointed to you to evidence for any claim I've made but if you're having problems comprehending what should be in front of your face tell me specifically what you can't find and I'll do my best to explain it to you.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And you still have not shown me how 132 men, women and children are "invading" Canada.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Explain to me how linking directly to a story and not quoting any part of it is lie on my part.

This thread isn't going away till you do.

[N_Fiddledog]

OK, so now that we know we're talking about the case of the woman arrested in Saskatchewan let's go to Global to see what the CBC forgot to tell us:

$1:

More details are emerging into an alleged smuggling ring between Saskatchewan and North Dakota.

Over the past several months, American border patrol has documented several times when Nigerian nationals were allegedly smuggled into Canada illegally from North Dakota.

Individuals allegedly paid up to $2,000 US for the trip.

US border officials confirm two Canadians and a Nigerian were apprehended on Friday between the North Portal and Northgate ports along the US Saskatchewan border. Three more people arrested in connection to human smuggling case after investigation into asylum seekers crossing into Sask.

According to a court affidavit filed by a North Dakota border patrol agent, law enforcement had identified 40-year-old Victor Omoruyi as a human smuggler prior to his latest trip to the U.S., so he was followed when he crossed the border into North Dakota on April 14.

Border patrol watched as Omoruyi met up with the five adults and four children in Minot, North Dakota, that would later be smuggled across the border, according to the documents.

They were also watching when he dropped the group off in an open field on the American side, and they started walking north towards Canada.

American officials told RCMP the nine asylum seekers were crossing onto Canadian territory. They were later picked up by police, and after being processed, they were released into Canada.

According to court documents, Omoruyi then picked up two different people: 33-year-old Success Okundia, who also goes by Success Okundia-Julius, and 44-year-old Tosin Johnson, who also goes by Tosin Cecilia Freeman-Osho. Johnson is a Canadian citizen, but she and Okundia were both originally from Nigeria, according to Grand Forks County Correctional Center.

Omoruyi’s vehicle was then stopped by border patrol in North Dakota.

Okundia presented Ontario identification and said he was originally from Africa. He also said he was dropped off in a field, although he later retracted that statement.

The border patrol agent noticed Johnson and Okundia’s shoes were both covered in fresh mud, but Omoruyi’s were not, according to the court documents.

Johnson presented an Ontario driver’s license and said she was originally from Canada and had been in the U.S. for a year, although she later contradicted that statement.

Omoruyi, Johnson and Okundia were all detained further because of “inconsistent statements by all three subjects, nervous behavior including stuttering and shaking during questioning, and the close proximity to the border near an area of previous known smuggling activity,” according to court documents.

Johnson said in a police interview that she was driven from Regina to the U.S. border by a white woman with short hair.

Omoruyi’s wife, Michelle Omoruyi, had been arrested on the Canadian side of the border with the group of nine asylum-seekers in her car.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3395708/asylu ... er-agents/

So yeah, from available information it appears this is a network operating on both sides of the border.

The network of "Brokers and Runners" Rebel Media uncovered operating from New York into Quebec stays on the American side. That sounds wiser. Harder to prosecute. Near as I know none of that network has ever been charged with anything.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

OK, so now that we know we're talking about the case of the woman arrested in Saskatchewan let's go to Global to see what the CBC forgot to tell us:

#11, Virtue Signalling.

Because Global has new information, does not mean CBC 'forgot' anything.

And it doesn't answer my questions.

[N_Fiddledog]

That's not virtue signalling, you numbskull.