[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Here's why halal AND kosher are incompatible with Western values:

Pork and chicken are killed in very similar ways. Male chickens are just tossed live into a meat grinder shortly after they hatch and are sexed.



Pigs are lined up in a row, before a large piston pushes their necks across a blade that exsanguinates them. And they are neither kosher nor halal.

I'm not even going to post that video, you can find it yourself.

Meat, in general, is incompatible with anyone with above average levels of compassion. Don't blame religion on industries desire for shareholder value.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Conspiracy?

Is that the new definition of an obvious fact in the regressive leftist dictionary?

I think you're going to find that when Islam gets around to dealing with you and yours in your fantasy realm of Progtopia it's not going to be as kind to y'all as you think it should be.

You are mentally ill.

How would you know? You give every indication of being mentally retarded.

But back to the rational side of the conversation.

Tricks, you've actually convinced me that both the excesses of Organic and Halal certification schemes push in what for convenience sake I'll just call the 'wrong' direction, but I remain convinced Halal is worse.

It's worse, because it does the job better. (Try organic to Halal comparisons on populations with a larger Islamic demographic.) Islam has been running schemes such as food management as a tool towards total societal control for 1400 years. We can see the Progressives (as they self-identify, not as the dictionary defines them) who have recently been managing food labeling schemes as evolving out of the Marxists. Even so, they're babies next to Islam. Mohammed was developing techniques for overwhelming territory by immigrating into it back when he was kicked out of Mecca and moved his flock to Medina. The process continues to this day (the most striking, recent example may be Lebanon) and they only get better at it. (and yes you can also compare Halal to Kosher. Doesn't matter.)

I don't think comparisons here are a case "2 wrongs make a who cares". I think it's more a case of 2 wrongs make a watch out. And some are more dangerous than others.

[BeaverFever]

How are they managing or controlling the food you idiot?

[N_Fiddledog]

Speaking of "2 wrongs make a who cares" isn't that what you were doing here Doc?

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It brought to our attention the little "K" that was on food packaging meant that you paid a secret 'Jewish Tax', and that our food supply was secretly going to fund the oppression of the Palestinians! Riveting stuff!

We were speaking of a problem. You divert to a non-problem, compare the two and say who cares?

Then you tell me this:

$1:

Falsehood? How can I lie about the Halal symbol, when I didn't even mention it?

Just your usual attempt at misdirection.

Who accused you of telling a falsehood about the Halal symbol? Not me. I referred to how clever you seemed to be suggesting you were in the telling of your little story where you spotted the falsehood when some unknown someone made a silly claim concerning the use of the Kosher symbol.

I then showed you, there actually have been Halal symbols on things like some Campbell's soups. I've seen them. Others have reported them. And if there is nothing Halal or not Halal about tomato soup one has to wonder why the label is necessary. Why would Campbell think they had to use it? I suggest pressure from someplace outside the company. Who would benefit from such a scheme?

This is all pertinent in this thread on the effects of Halal pressuring society to delegitimize the traditional connection of western society to Easter. The wrong think of noticing a religion that isn't Islam.

If there was any diversion from that it was all from you Doc, with your insinuation of wisdom in seeing past the bigotry of an unrelated problem.

I want to show you something. A guy put together a list of things to expect to see when debating the regressive left. He's a liberal. Note numbers 3, 9, 10, and 11.

[fifeboy]

I haven't been on line for two days as I have been in the hospital having my appendix removed ( good grief, do 68 old men even have appendixes?). Came home and read the first page of this tedious thread. Sorry to anyone who made this point, but one page in the bog was enough. Don't stores ( as the PRTVATE PROPERTY OF THE COMPANY) have the right to sell/not sell what they want\don't want to sell? And don't the local punters have the right to shop/not shop where they want?

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

How are they managing or controlling the food you idiot?

I always love when a moron calls me an idiot and proves who the real idiot is through his or her inability to observe the obvious.

I gave you examples of Halal controlling how food is produced, and marketed. In Alberta the need for a halal certification managed a Canadian restaurant into halting the use of Canadian beef.

I mentioned Subway sandwiches. Surely you remember the one about how Islamic areas in the UK had pressured the Subway sandwich chain to institute mandatory use of Halal. Now as an exercise in common sense if food production and distribution needs a Halal certification what companies do you think will be providing the labor to provide the service as this "control" what food goes where grows? Who will have that "control?" What religion will you find has all those jobs? And here I'll say again, this "control" increases as the Islamic demographic of an area increases.

I also told you of cases where rival organizations were having mob style gang wars over "control" of the Halal certification industry. I'm pretty sure that was in Indonesia.

[herbie]

Maybe they should try selling a line of Halal Easter Eggs?
Or really piss him off by discovering that due to being made from 100% polymerized petrochemical byproducts they could put a Halal label on them?

Maybe I should revive my old idea of making "Baby Jesus Brand" computers and sue Bet Buy when it won't carry them?

[N_Fiddledog]

Sorry to hear about your bad Health Fifey.

Yes, technically you are free to buy whatever you want. That doesn't mean external pressures can't be put on the production, distribution or marketing of a product.

Consider a boycott, for example.

"Nice little sandwich shop you've got here in the no-go zone. Be a shame if anything happened to it."

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Sorry to hear about your bad Health Fifey.

Yes, technically you are free to buy whatever you want. That doesn't mean external pressures can't be put on the production, distribution or marketing of a product.

Consider a boycott, for example.

Really wasn't that bad, very few symptoms. Only one was sore muscles on my right side. I thought it was pulled muscles from an over vigorous swim.
And the only people who should be big time concerned about this Easter thing are people who have no other place to shop. Don't like it, walk across the street! It's called the free enterprise system... which is supposed to work both ways. Chocolate lovers won't give a shit because "easter bunny" chocolate tends to suck... big time!

[N_Fiddledog]

Most shoppers won't even notice.

I have a personal story to tell on that though. What I just said above is not always the case.

I mentioned earlier seeing the Halal label on Campbell's tomato soup. The internet may have changed things there. Internet activists made a fuss about Campbell's Canada going halal.

Not all the soup tins were labelled Halal when I saw them, but the ones that were, were marked down to less than half price.

I was standing there looking at soups. This friendly fellow comes up to me and tells me how there's a big bin of them marked down to 50 cents a tin at the end of the aisle. I tell him, "No thanks. Those are halal."

I got the feeling he didn't know what I was talking about, but he grunts, "Oh..." and moves on.

[BartSimpson]

We used to have a halal butcher shop on Florin Road here in Sacramento. They got shut down because they were slaughtering animals on site in violation of numerous ordinances and because they were not zoned for a slaughterhouse the proprietor was cited for numerous incidents of cruelty to animals.

The building had to be gutted because of the amount of blood and etc. that permeated the place and I am happy to say that it remains an empty shell.

[fifeboy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

We used to have a halal butcher shop on Florin Road here in Sacramento. They got shut down because they were slaughtering animals on site in violation of numerous ordinances and because they were not zoned for a slaughterhouse the proprietor was cited for numerous incidents of cruelty to animals.

The building had to be gutted because of the amount of blood and etc. that permeated the place and I am happy to say that it remains an empty shell.

That was a good idea. Health regulations need to be followed by ANY food processing place!

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

How are they managing or controlling the food you idiot?

I always love when a moron calls me an idiot and proves who the real idiot is through his or her inability to observe the obvious.

I gave you examples of Halal controlling how food is produced, and marketed. In Alberta the need for a halal certification managed a Canadian restaurant into halting the use of Canadian beef.

I mentioned Subway sandwiches. Surely you remember the one about how Islamic areas in the UK had pressured the Subway sandwich chain to institute mandatory use of Halal. Now as an exercise in common sense if food production and distribution needs a Halal certification what companies do you think will be providing the labor to provide the service as this "control" what food goes where grows? Who will have that "control?" What religion will you find has all those jobs? And here I'll say again, this "control" increases as the Islamic demographic of an area increases.

I also told you of cases where rival organizations were having mob style gang wars over "control" of the Halal certification industry. I'm pretty sure that was in Indonesia.

You are an idiot if you think you've done anything other than babble like a lunatic with your nutjob conspiracy theories. You haven't proven anything. You really think getting a halal logo in a can of Cambells tomato soup means that "the muslims" "control" the tomato soup supply? Thr Earls claim is also bullshit. Subway, like most restaurants, can easily offer halal because it's not that restrictive. Keep the pork from touching the non-pork and pay almost any Muslim guy a few bucks to give you a piece of paper saying he's confirmed that's what you're doing snd presto you're halal. That's not Muslims "controlling" the food. Indonesia is already a Muslim country so your point there makes no sense.

Maybe the problem is you don't understand what the word "control" means.

Like what do you imagine, the fictional Muslim pope who you think controls all the worlds Muslims now tells Campbells CEO how many cans of tomato soup he can manufacture and what stores he can sell them in? And his sinister plot is to redirect all the tomato soup to Muslims only?

[herbie]

No the problem is haters gotta hate.
There's absolutely no acceptable justification for refusing to buy products labelled to attract a wider range of customers, only the old adage of cutting off your own nose to spite your face.
Bought those Costco hot dogs for years because they're damn good. Didn't even notice they were kosher. Ain't gonna pass up soup for half price or less when it tastes the same either.
FFS they've got 'gluten free' on some bottles of water. Goddam celiacs, we oughta kill them all, eh?

And how the hell did a thread about bible thumper messages in chocolate turn into another Muslim bashfest anyway?

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